1 00:00:37,330 --> 00:00:41,751 Hi, everyone. I'm Gareth Evans, I'm the writer/director of The Raid 2. 2 00:00:42,168 --> 00:00:45,713 I'm gonna share with you anecdotes that went into the making of this film. 3 00:00:45,922 --> 00:00:48,966 And then hopefully, like, along the way, I can kind of explain... 4 00:00:49,175 --> 00:00:52,219 ...some of my intentions with this as a sequel to the first film. 5 00:00:52,428 --> 00:00:55,681 And, yeah, fingers crossed, I don't kind of cross over too much... 6 00:00:55,890 --> 00:00:58,059 ...on any of the behind-the-scenes materials... 7 00:00:58,267 --> 00:01:00,937 ...that we'll have for the film when it comes out. 8 00:01:01,562 --> 00:01:03,731 One of the things I wanted to do with this-- 9 00:01:03,940 --> 00:01:06,817 This actual opening shot lasts for about like a minute. 10 00:01:07,026 --> 00:01:11,572 And it's like this huge, long, wide, static shot of this entire location. 11 00:01:11,781 --> 00:01:13,157 And one of the reasons... 12 00:01:13,366 --> 00:01:16,577 ...was initially to just completely start off with a new tone... 13 00:01:16,786 --> 00:01:18,746 ...with a new sense of pace for the film. 14 00:01:18,955 --> 00:01:20,122 Because the first Raid... 15 00:01:20,331 --> 00:01:22,833 ...when it was named Raid: Redemption out in the U.S... 16 00:01:23,042 --> 00:01:25,795 ...it started off at this breakneck pace from the get-go. 17 00:01:26,003 --> 00:01:28,130 We kind of jumped right into the action... 18 00:01:28,339 --> 00:01:31,884 ...and then immediately, you know, went into that building... 19 00:01:32,093 --> 00:01:34,679 ...within a matter of, like, two, five, six minutes. 20 00:01:34,887 --> 00:01:39,392 And so I wanted to kind of start with a shot that kind of told the audience: 21 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,020 "You know, okay, take it easy. Take in the landscape first. 22 00:01:43,229 --> 00:01:46,190 Then this is the new pace. This is the flow we're gonna go for." 23 00:01:46,357 --> 00:01:49,527 Because obviously there's a much longer running time for the film. 24 00:01:49,735 --> 00:01:53,698 There are things about that opening shot I liked in terms of the composition of it... 25 00:01:53,906 --> 00:01:56,951 ...because it allowed you to take in that image like a painting... 26 00:01:57,159 --> 00:01:59,286 ...like you would on a painting. So you see-- 27 00:01:59,495 --> 00:02:01,163 Like those little pops of dust... 28 00:02:01,372 --> 00:02:03,332 ...as they cough up behind the sugar canes. 29 00:02:03,541 --> 00:02:06,877 You could see in these two farmers sat down next to a pre-dug grave... 30 00:02:07,086 --> 00:02:10,381 ...and they set the tone then for what's about to happen here. 31 00:02:10,548 --> 00:02:13,134 It's kind of all preempting... 32 00:02:13,342 --> 00:02:15,886 ...the fate of Andi, Rama's brother in the film. 33 00:02:16,053 --> 00:02:17,680 It's a question of ambition really. 34 00:02:17,847 --> 00:02:21,767 So this is Alex Abbad who plays Bejo. 35 00:02:21,976 --> 00:02:25,271 Me and Alex had worked together before on our first movie, Merantau. 36 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:29,275 And in that movie, he played, like, a very sort of sleazy pimp character. 37 00:02:29,483 --> 00:02:33,112 And I talked to Alex, like, there's a little bit of background actually... 38 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,781 ...about, like, the preexisting script for Berandal. 39 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:39,076 Because about two-- About four years ago from now actually... 40 00:02:39,285 --> 00:02:41,829 ...after we finished Merantau, I wanted to do Berandal. 41 00:02:41,996 --> 00:02:44,874 I'd written the script, which was like a stand-alone project. 42 00:02:45,082 --> 00:02:48,294 And, you know, that ended up becoming retrofitted... 43 00:02:48,502 --> 00:02:49,962 ...to become The Raid 2... 44 00:02:50,171 --> 00:02:53,424 ...after we did The Raid 1 instead, that was like a plan B project. 45 00:02:53,632 --> 00:02:58,137 And so Alex, I'd contacted four years ago about this role... 46 00:02:58,345 --> 00:03:02,683 ...because Bejo existed in this role, as did Uco, played by Arifin Putra. 47 00:03:02,892 --> 00:03:06,187 So Alex and Arifin were both in this weird position... 48 00:03:06,395 --> 00:03:08,439 ...where I went off to make The Raid 1... 49 00:03:08,647 --> 00:03:11,442 ...and had to tell them, "I'm not gonna work with you yet. 50 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:13,194 I really wanna work with you... 51 00:03:13,402 --> 00:03:16,363 ...on The Raid 2, so there's nothing for you in The Raid 1." 52 00:03:16,572 --> 00:03:20,993 So I had to kind of save them in order to be able to still cast them in this film. 53 00:03:24,955 --> 00:03:29,126 It was-- For me, this scene was always kind of like a bold way to start. 54 00:03:29,335 --> 00:03:31,545 A lot of people kind of had this expectation. 55 00:03:31,754 --> 00:03:36,384 These ideas in their head that we were gonna continue the brother story... 56 00:03:36,592 --> 00:03:39,595 ...and we were gonna continue to talk about, like, Rama and Andi. 57 00:03:39,804 --> 00:03:42,098 But in my eyes, like, I was done with that. 58 00:03:42,306 --> 00:03:45,893 I was already kind of-- I already said enough about their relationship... 59 00:03:46,102 --> 00:03:47,812 ...within the first film. 60 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:49,980 So this seemed like a good opportunity... 61 00:03:50,189 --> 00:03:52,233 ...to kind of start with a bit of a shock. 62 00:03:52,691 --> 00:03:53,859 And there you go. 63 00:03:54,068 --> 00:03:58,406 And so, yeah, it was like this opportunity to sort of like, you know... 64 00:03:58,614 --> 00:04:00,282 ...straight away for the audience... 65 00:04:00,449 --> 00:04:04,120 ...like present them with a major role, a major character from the first film... 66 00:04:04,328 --> 00:04:07,706 ...and just take him out of the equation immediately from the get-go. 67 00:04:07,915 --> 00:04:11,544 For me, it was the idea of, "Okay, well, I'm gonna start with a slower pace." 68 00:04:11,752 --> 00:04:14,380 I'm gonna tell you, "This is not going to be The Raid 1." 69 00:04:14,588 --> 00:04:17,925 Not gonna be a rehash of the original-- With the original-- 70 00:04:18,134 --> 00:04:21,470 With the same sort of like, you know, one-structured building thing. 71 00:04:21,679 --> 00:04:26,058 This is gonna be a totally different thing and all bets are off at this point. 72 00:04:30,312 --> 00:04:32,982 So I talked a little in interviews about the film... 73 00:04:33,190 --> 00:04:37,153 ...idea that the start of The Raid 2 would be two hours after The Raid 1 finished. 74 00:04:37,361 --> 00:04:40,656 And this is where we join in. This is that moment, you know... 75 00:04:40,865 --> 00:04:45,494 ...after they've escaped that building to have a meeting with Bunawar, and-- 76 00:04:45,703 --> 00:04:47,913 With the box of tapes and then with Bowo... 77 00:04:48,122 --> 00:04:52,793 ...and with somebody who is clearly not actually Pierre Gruno... 78 00:04:53,002 --> 00:04:55,546 ...who played Wahyu from the first film. 79 00:04:55,754 --> 00:04:58,549 For reasons that I'm not gonna go into here... 80 00:04:58,757 --> 00:05:03,888 ...we ended up hiring an extra to play the role. 81 00:05:04,096 --> 00:05:06,223 It's a shame. I'd love to have shown his face. 82 00:05:06,432 --> 00:05:07,850 Some things don't work out... 83 00:05:08,058 --> 00:05:10,895 ...and this is one of those moments when it didn't work out. 84 00:05:11,103 --> 00:05:13,522 So we did our best to kind of, like, hide that... 85 00:05:13,731 --> 00:05:16,734 ...with careful framing, careful body positioning... 86 00:05:16,942 --> 00:05:20,196 ...and careful moments when we cut in and out of that shot. 87 00:05:22,531 --> 00:05:26,076 There was more for Bowo, actually. We had more for his character. 88 00:05:26,285 --> 00:05:29,371 We were gonna show him get killed in a scene later in the film... 89 00:05:29,580 --> 00:05:33,083 ...but it ended up being cut out as a deleted scene. 90 00:05:33,584 --> 00:05:36,420 This gentleman here, Cok Simbara, who plays Bunawar... 91 00:05:36,629 --> 00:05:38,923 ...he's like an incredibly famous actor as well... 92 00:05:39,131 --> 00:05:41,926 ...in the Indonesian film and television industry. 93 00:05:42,134 --> 00:05:44,720 And has, like, you know, worked countless times there. 94 00:05:44,929 --> 00:05:46,972 And so he's one of those senior actors... 95 00:05:47,181 --> 00:05:49,683 ...that people have a huge amount of admiration for. 96 00:05:49,892 --> 00:05:53,062 And I just love the look of him. I just love the tone of his voice... 97 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:55,940 ...and the way he carries himself, and immediately... 98 00:05:56,148 --> 00:05:59,610 ...I kind of saw him straight away fit in this role of Bunawar. 99 00:05:59,818 --> 00:06:04,698 So Toro, my producer in Indonesia, he suggested him. 100 00:06:04,907 --> 00:06:07,701 He kind of presented me with a bunch of photographs... 101 00:06:07,910 --> 00:06:11,288 ...of his portfolio throughout the years. And then once I kind of-- 102 00:06:11,497 --> 00:06:14,708 I started looking at characters for what this guy should look like... 103 00:06:14,917 --> 00:06:17,127 ...how he should dress, how he should look. 104 00:06:17,336 --> 00:06:20,673 And I was looking at a Japanese film called Bayside Shakedown. 105 00:06:20,881 --> 00:06:23,384 And there's a-- There's an actor there... 106 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:27,513 ...and he's kind of wearing this sort of, like, rain jacket with a rain hat. 107 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:31,308 As soon as we kind of bought something similar, a costume similar to that... 108 00:06:31,517 --> 00:06:32,851 ...put it on Cok, I was like: 109 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:36,772 "Okay, this guy is Bunawar now," and he kind of fit the role perfectly. 110 00:06:38,148 --> 00:06:41,902 And I could do with someone like you to help me dig out some more. 111 00:06:42,111 --> 00:06:47,408 So this is kind of the whole, you know, taking care of the first film. 112 00:06:47,616 --> 00:06:49,493 This is kind of wrapping everything up. 113 00:06:49,702 --> 00:06:53,622 I had a lot of legwork I had to get through in order to get us to a point... 114 00:06:53,831 --> 00:06:55,624 ...where we could start The Raid 2. 115 00:06:55,833 --> 00:06:57,710 Because, like, this all still, you know: 116 00:06:57,918 --> 00:07:02,214 "Okay, these characters from the first film that they're left hanging and trailing off... 117 00:07:02,423 --> 00:07:05,342 ...we had to get rid of them. We have to make a clean slate. 118 00:07:05,551 --> 00:07:08,804 So that whenever we get ready to start the new progressive story... 119 00:07:09,013 --> 00:07:11,265 ...which is the moment he goes into prison... 120 00:07:11,473 --> 00:07:14,893 ...and becomes an undercover cop, you know, we're good to go then. 121 00:07:15,102 --> 00:07:17,313 You know, from that point onwards technically... 122 00:07:17,855 --> 00:07:20,441 ...you don't have to have seen the first film to get it. 123 00:07:20,649 --> 00:07:22,651 These first 10 minutes were so intricate... 124 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:26,113 ...in terms of being able to balance the right amount of exposition... 125 00:07:26,322 --> 00:07:29,700 ...with the right amount of character beats and right amount of intrigue. 126 00:07:29,867 --> 00:07:31,785 Because I wanted to present Bunawar... 127 00:07:31,994 --> 00:07:34,997 ...as this guy that maybe you can, maybe you can't trust or not. 128 00:07:35,205 --> 00:07:38,584 There's a certain kind of, you know, manipulation going on as well... 129 00:07:39,001 --> 00:07:42,296 ...in terms of how he deals with Rama, in terms of how he talks to him. 130 00:07:42,504 --> 00:07:44,340 And so, yeah, it's-- It was-- It was a-- 131 00:07:44,548 --> 00:07:46,175 It was a fair balancing act. 132 00:07:46,383 --> 00:07:50,012 And I think when it came to the postproduction side of things, this was-- 133 00:07:50,220 --> 00:07:54,350 This first reel, this first 20 minutes, was the most intensive... 134 00:07:54,558 --> 00:07:57,686 ...in terms of the amount of work we put in terms of postproduction. 135 00:07:57,895 --> 00:08:00,606 One of those things. All the way up into the last moment... 136 00:08:00,814 --> 00:08:03,442 ...we were always kind of shifting structure around... 137 00:08:03,651 --> 00:08:07,488 ...cutting scenes down, making them shorter, trying to streamline the opening... 138 00:08:07,696 --> 00:08:09,531 ...so we could get to, you know, that-- 139 00:08:09,740 --> 00:08:14,620 What I was saying earlier, the start of The Raid 2 faster and more effectively. 140 00:08:16,205 --> 00:08:21,210 You might have spotted a brief cameo from Joe Taslim, the star of-- 141 00:08:21,418 --> 00:08:23,170 One of the stars from The Raid 1... 142 00:08:23,379 --> 00:08:27,383 ...who thankfully went off then to kind of, you know, get a role in Fast 6. 143 00:08:27,591 --> 00:08:31,220 A big, huge, proud moment for people in Indonesia, you know. 144 00:08:31,428 --> 00:08:35,224 And he's gone on now, and he's become this big name now in Indonesia. 145 00:08:35,432 --> 00:08:37,935 So when we came knocking on the door for The Raid 2... 146 00:08:38,143 --> 00:08:41,897 ...obviously the only thing we could afford was a photograph of him, so, yeah. 147 00:08:42,106 --> 00:08:45,109 So much for friendship, yeah. I'm kidding, of course. 148 00:08:45,317 --> 00:08:48,445 He's a lovely guy and we're gonna work together on the next film. 149 00:08:48,654 --> 00:08:51,198 But, yeah. So it was just-- And for that one, I just-- 150 00:08:51,407 --> 00:08:55,077 It was desperate to get Joe back in in some capacity, and so I said to him: 151 00:08:55,285 --> 00:08:59,331 "I can't bring you in in a flashback. I can't bring you in in some kind of like-- 152 00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:03,127 I don't know, like, sort of spiritual, sort of, you know, guidance way. 153 00:09:03,335 --> 00:09:07,214 I can't think of any way I can bring you in other than you're a part... 154 00:09:07,423 --> 00:09:10,175 ...of a bunch of documents and there's a photograph of you." 155 00:09:10,384 --> 00:09:13,971 And Joe's such a good sport. He's been so sort of appreciative of that... 156 00:09:14,179 --> 00:09:16,515 ...of what the first film did for him, he was game. 157 00:09:16,724 --> 00:09:20,477 He just came in and took that photograph and hung out with us on set for a while. 158 00:09:20,686 --> 00:09:22,688 He came and visited the set a lot, actually. 159 00:09:22,855 --> 00:09:26,191 So, yeah, there's been, like, this good relationship between all of us. 160 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,944 And we put a bullet in him to protect your life! 161 00:09:29,111 --> 00:09:30,821 There's no such thing as a clean war in this world. 162 00:09:30,988 --> 00:09:34,450 One of the things I wanted to establish in this opening was play around... 163 00:09:34,658 --> 00:09:36,994 ...with, like, a certain amount of editing style. 164 00:09:37,202 --> 00:09:39,496 And one of the things I really wanted to do... 165 00:09:39,705 --> 00:09:44,835 ...is to kind of have this style of editing where it was kind of effective of Joe Bo-- 166 00:09:45,043 --> 00:09:48,922 John Boorman's films like Point Blank or Sam Peckinpah's The Getaway. 167 00:09:49,131 --> 00:09:51,717 And what I wanted to do is have these things... 168 00:09:51,925 --> 00:09:54,678 ...of, like, you know, continuous audio from one source... 169 00:09:54,887 --> 00:09:57,556 ...but then shifting locations with the-- On the image... 170 00:09:57,765 --> 00:10:01,852 ...to try to, like, you know, create this sort of like unusual atmospheric feel... 171 00:10:02,060 --> 00:10:04,855 ...between, like, you know, chronology and information... 172 00:10:05,063 --> 00:10:06,982 ...and what we're taking from it, and so-- 173 00:10:07,191 --> 00:10:12,905 Yeah, I wanted to play with that when we introduced this funeral scene of the film. 174 00:10:17,034 --> 00:10:19,953 Eagle-eyed people might've noticed there was incense sticks... 175 00:10:20,162 --> 00:10:21,997 ...on the table there. 176 00:10:22,789 --> 00:10:26,627 There are gonna be a few question marks. In the first movie when we have Iko... 177 00:10:26,835 --> 00:10:29,838 ...we show him praying, and so Iko's character is clearly Muslim. 178 00:10:30,047 --> 00:10:33,217 And the idea of the incense sticks was to present this idea of: 179 00:10:33,425 --> 00:10:35,636 "Okay, you know, Iko's character is Muslim... 180 00:10:35,844 --> 00:10:38,597 ...maybe the father is Buddhist, maybe Chinese Buddhist... 181 00:10:38,805 --> 00:10:41,934 ...and maybe the mother was the Muslim side of the family." 182 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:45,979 It wasn't in there to kind of make any kind of social commentary or anything... 183 00:10:46,188 --> 00:10:49,024 ...but it was just kind of-- It was more sort of, you know... 184 00:10:49,233 --> 00:10:50,651 ...as a throwaway gesture. 185 00:10:50,859 --> 00:10:54,446 So, yeah, peace and harmony for everyone. 186 00:10:54,822 --> 00:10:56,740 I can provide safety for your wife and child. 187 00:10:56,907 --> 00:11:00,536 We can keep them out of reach. But I need you. 188 00:11:00,702 --> 00:11:02,287 Right now.... 189 00:11:03,247 --> 00:11:06,542 So we're introducing the big players now. 190 00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:10,629 This is kind of where The Raid 2 really starts. 191 00:11:10,838 --> 00:11:13,382 Now we get to introduce some of our Japanese casts... 192 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:16,843 ...and then also the sort of, like, you know, the next senior actor... 193 00:11:17,052 --> 00:11:19,555 ...Tio Pakusadewo, who plays Bangun. 194 00:11:19,763 --> 00:11:23,934 And then earlier, we saw photographs of Kenichi Endo and Ryuhei Matsuda... 195 00:11:24,142 --> 00:11:28,021 ...who play Goto and Keiichi, respectively. 196 00:11:29,439 --> 00:11:32,693 And, yeah, this is, like-- This is, like, the real kick-starter. 197 00:11:32,901 --> 00:11:36,613 Now, this is the starting point where we're gonna sort of lay out our plan... 198 00:11:36,822 --> 00:11:39,950 ...and our plot for what's about to follow then. 199 00:11:40,367 --> 00:11:42,536 One thing that should be clear, I guess... 200 00:11:42,744 --> 00:11:45,664 ...in terms of the names and details I've been throwing up... 201 00:11:45,873 --> 00:11:51,044 ...is that idea that, like, this is a much more densely populated script... 202 00:11:51,253 --> 00:11:53,672 ...in terms of characters, also in terms of plotting. 203 00:11:53,881 --> 00:11:55,507 And that was a conscious decision. 204 00:11:55,716 --> 00:11:58,635 I mean, I guess to a certain degree, that was more informed... 205 00:11:58,844 --> 00:12:00,804 ...by the fact I had a preexisting script. 206 00:12:00,971 --> 00:12:03,640 You know, it wasn't sort of like a response to The Raid 1. 207 00:12:03,849 --> 00:12:06,226 It wasn't like we did The Raid 1 and we were like: 208 00:12:06,435 --> 00:12:08,353 "Where are the flaws? We need more story." 209 00:12:08,562 --> 00:12:12,566 It was more a case of that preexisting script had so much in there that we kept. 210 00:12:12,774 --> 00:12:16,236 We only ended up changing maybe about 20, 30 percent of the script. 211 00:12:16,445 --> 00:12:20,240 So, you know, Bejo was there, you know, Uco was there... 212 00:12:20,449 --> 00:12:21,575 ...Bangun was there. 213 00:12:21,783 --> 00:12:24,328 Hammer Girl, Baseball Bat Man, they were already there. 214 00:12:24,536 --> 00:12:26,914 It was just basically police procedural elements... 215 00:12:27,122 --> 00:12:30,292 ...that we had to bring in for the new version of the script. 216 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:34,087 And it was just having to kind of establish that undercover cop element... 217 00:12:34,296 --> 00:12:36,965 ...and the investigative side of his character then. 218 00:12:37,299 --> 00:12:40,469 Okay, this guy here, this-- The prison warden is Pak Adi. 219 00:12:40,677 --> 00:12:42,095 And he's actually the-- 220 00:12:42,304 --> 00:12:45,015 One of the company chairmen for Merantau Films. 221 00:12:45,223 --> 00:12:48,560 And he was also, like, a sort of well-respected man... 222 00:12:48,769 --> 00:12:52,939 ...in terms of, like-- One of the silat organizations, IPSI. 223 00:12:53,482 --> 00:12:54,816 So, yeah, we brought him in. 224 00:12:55,025 --> 00:12:57,444 He was a pop star in the 70s and '80s as well... 225 00:12:57,653 --> 00:13:01,448 ...so we kind of brought him in to kind of play a role in this film as the warden. 226 00:13:01,657 --> 00:13:04,576 And, yeah, it was just a pleasure to work with him. 227 00:13:05,035 --> 00:13:06,662 I need more than that. 228 00:13:07,329 --> 00:13:09,539 He's the asshole son of an asshole politician. 229 00:13:09,706 --> 00:13:11,541 So we had a kind of.... 230 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:13,919 There's a scene here that we cut. 231 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,463 This was one of those moments-- 232 00:13:16,672 --> 00:13:19,299 One of the really hard scenes for us to decide to cut... 233 00:13:19,508 --> 00:13:23,136 ...because we actually showed the moment leading up to him... 234 00:13:23,345 --> 00:13:25,305 ...beating up the politician's son. 235 00:13:25,514 --> 00:13:28,183 So here, like, later on, when Rama says, like, you know: 236 00:13:28,392 --> 00:13:31,645 "Where is he," we were gonna cut straight to this nightclub. 237 00:13:31,853 --> 00:13:34,856 And we did this whole sequence, it's about maybe four minutes... 238 00:13:35,065 --> 00:13:39,236 ...five minutes long, and it was just one Steadicam shot going through this club... 239 00:13:39,444 --> 00:13:42,572 ...following the conversation between Rama... 240 00:13:42,781 --> 00:13:45,659 ...and then these, like, two guys, one is an undercover cop... 241 00:13:45,867 --> 00:13:49,579 ...that sort of introduced him to these low-level thugs. 242 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,208 And the idea was, is that, like, in that scene was this thing of: 243 00:13:53,834 --> 00:13:56,253 He would be under the pretense of going up... 244 00:13:56,461 --> 00:14:00,298 ...to meet with these, like, low-level thugs to start working for them. 245 00:14:00,507 --> 00:14:02,300 But in the process of doing that... 246 00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:05,846 ...would lose his shit and then come after the politician's son... 247 00:14:06,054 --> 00:14:10,308 ...and then beat him in front of them so that they would bear witness to this-- 248 00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:14,062 You know, this crazy, psycho, like, you know, country-boy kid... 249 00:14:14,271 --> 00:14:17,107 ...that was wanting to make waves in this sort of underworld. 250 00:14:17,566 --> 00:14:21,695 And ended up being too much of a crazy psychopath for them to hire him. 251 00:14:21,903 --> 00:14:24,990 And so then that would be his, you know, gateway into prison. 252 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:28,410 But his gateway into prison with a story that would corroborate... 253 00:14:28,618 --> 00:14:31,913 ...everything he wanted to set up in terms of not being a policeman... 254 00:14:32,122 --> 00:14:34,583 ...but being part of this world. 255 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:39,254 This is the first fight of the film. This is the first big fight in the toilet. 256 00:14:39,463 --> 00:14:40,797 And these shots here... 257 00:14:41,006 --> 00:14:44,801 ...are actually almost directly the same as the things we did... 258 00:14:45,010 --> 00:14:48,555 ...for a very early investors' teaser promo... 259 00:14:48,764 --> 00:14:51,266 ...we shot in order to try and get money for the film. 260 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,019 It didn't work, but we still kept the same shots. 261 00:14:54,436 --> 00:14:57,981 I don't know what that says about me. My stubbornness I guess as a filmmaker. 262 00:14:58,774 --> 00:15:05,322 So this was, like, a big fight sequence for us to shoot and to start off with. 263 00:15:05,530 --> 00:15:08,950 We had about three-- You can kind of tell if you really look for it. 264 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:13,038 But we had about two different sort of sizes for the toilet cubicles. 265 00:15:13,246 --> 00:15:16,792 Some were kind of narrow and some were kind of wider then... 266 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,794 ...so we could have more space. 267 00:15:19,669 --> 00:15:23,173 And then we also had a certain design in place... 268 00:15:23,381 --> 00:15:26,343 ...where we would have the walls on a hinge mechanism. 269 00:15:26,551 --> 00:15:30,680 So that our Art Department could end up sort of swinging the walls left and right... 270 00:15:30,889 --> 00:15:33,183 ...opening up the entire thing... 271 00:15:33,391 --> 00:15:36,478 ...so we could get our camera in, we could kind of spin around... 272 00:15:36,686 --> 00:15:39,856 ...and do 360s inside that toilet cubicle with Iko as he's fighting. 273 00:15:40,023 --> 00:15:43,401 Here's the shot as we come along to it. So we're going in there with him. 274 00:15:43,568 --> 00:15:46,822 They're opening the walls so we can get wide and come up to a profile. 275 00:15:46,988 --> 00:15:48,615 And then here they close it again. 276 00:15:48,824 --> 00:15:53,328 So it was like a combination of, you know, art design, set design... 277 00:15:53,537 --> 00:15:56,039 ...and then also good timing. 278 00:15:57,207 --> 00:16:00,085 And at this point, I just feel sorry for every single person... 279 00:16:00,293 --> 00:16:03,922 ...that was at the bottom of that pile, because that was not a comfortable-- 280 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:06,967 Not a comfortable shot for any of them to do. 281 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,184 It was kind of important for me to make sure that Iko would lose his first fight. 282 00:16:17,102 --> 00:16:20,188 I didn't wanna kind of have this thing of, like, you know... 283 00:16:20,397 --> 00:16:22,482 ...this incredibly invincible hero guy... 284 00:16:22,691 --> 00:16:25,735 ...who could beat them up and take out every person that comes in. 285 00:16:25,944 --> 00:16:29,698 We'd established there was significant amount of people behind that door... 286 00:16:29,906 --> 00:16:33,034 ...wanting to get to him. In my eyes, it was always that thing of... 287 00:16:33,243 --> 00:16:36,162 ...we would play up the idea of there being some strategy... 288 00:16:36,371 --> 00:16:38,874 ...in order for him to keep the numbers down low... 289 00:16:39,082 --> 00:16:41,835 ...by pulling in two and slamming the door shut... 290 00:16:42,043 --> 00:16:44,796 ...or always throwing bodies in the direction... 291 00:16:45,005 --> 00:16:48,091 ...of where they would wanna come in so he would block their path. 292 00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:51,511 But it was always the thing of, "Okay, it's just biding their time. 293 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,555 It's never gonna be the solution to it. 294 00:16:53,763 --> 00:16:56,641 Like, he's going to be, like, hurt by them... 295 00:16:56,850 --> 00:17:00,312 ...and he's going to be the one that loses that fight eventually." 296 00:17:00,770 --> 00:17:04,149 And this setup here with the wall, this was.... 297 00:17:04,357 --> 00:17:08,153 I wanted to create this kind of symmetry between the first film and the sequel... 298 00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:10,989 ...where this choreography, these punches... 299 00:17:11,198 --> 00:17:14,075 ...are very, very close, if not exactly the same... 300 00:17:14,284 --> 00:17:18,455 ...to the sort of exercise that he did with the punch bag in part one. 301 00:17:18,663 --> 00:17:20,957 Difference is in part one, it was all about him... 302 00:17:21,166 --> 00:17:24,252 ...mentally preparing himself ready for what he was about to do... 303 00:17:24,461 --> 00:17:26,838 ...spiritually ready for what he was about to do. 304 00:17:27,047 --> 00:17:28,673 But as we see in Iko's expression-- 305 00:17:28,882 --> 00:17:31,134 I love his expression here. He just nailed it. 306 00:17:31,343 --> 00:17:34,930 It's all about regret, about sadness, and it's all about him realizing... 307 00:17:35,138 --> 00:17:38,892 ...just how much he's had to give up now in order to kind of be where he is... 308 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:42,437 ...in order to kind of do what he wants-- What he has to do. 309 00:17:42,646 --> 00:17:43,688 There's a difference... 310 00:17:43,897 --> 00:17:46,483 ...because in The Raid 1, it's something he wants to do. 311 00:17:46,691 --> 00:17:50,028 He wants to go in there to take his brother out of that building. 312 00:17:50,236 --> 00:17:54,032 It's all part of his-- You know, his desire. He needs to be able to do that. 313 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,577 But here, it's more of a torment for him... 314 00:17:57,786 --> 00:18:01,122 ...because, you know, he has to do it in order to keep his family safe. 315 00:18:01,331 --> 00:18:05,126 And the only part of him that wants to get involved in this capacity... 316 00:18:05,335 --> 00:18:10,840 ...is purely that idea of revenge for the people who took out his brother. 317 00:18:11,049 --> 00:18:14,594 But he knows that the entire time that he is in this prison... 318 00:18:14,803 --> 00:18:16,721 ...he's not going to be able to do that. 319 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:20,684 So it was all about, like, that frustration of not being able to fulfill... 320 00:18:20,892 --> 00:18:24,062 ...you know, the vengeance inside of him as well. 321 00:18:25,647 --> 00:18:30,902 So now we're about to introduce Arifin Putra, who plays Uco... 322 00:18:31,111 --> 00:18:34,114 ...and Benny actually sat next to him, played by Zack Lee. 323 00:18:35,532 --> 00:18:41,037 So Arifin, I'd seen him in the Mo Brothers film Rumah Dara... 324 00:18:41,246 --> 00:18:42,455 ...where he played Adam... 325 00:18:42,664 --> 00:18:48,211 ...like, this sort of psychopathic guy who was part of, like, a slasher film family. 326 00:18:48,795 --> 00:18:51,131 And I'd always wanted to cast him since then and-- 327 00:18:51,339 --> 00:18:54,509 Yeah, similarly to, like, Alex, who played Bejo earlier... 328 00:18:54,718 --> 00:18:56,720 ...I'd already spoken to him about the role. 329 00:18:56,928 --> 00:18:59,848 I'd already talked to him about bringing him in on the project. 330 00:19:00,056 --> 00:19:04,019 And so, yeah, he was another one of those actors that kind of had to wait... 331 00:19:04,227 --> 00:19:07,897 ...sit and wait for two or three years before I was able to give him the call... 332 00:19:08,106 --> 00:19:11,401 ...to say we were gonna go ahead and go into preproduction on it. 333 00:19:12,444 --> 00:19:14,404 But, yeah, I loved working with him. 334 00:19:14,612 --> 00:19:18,116 It was fun to work with him because he was always game for improvisation... 335 00:19:19,617 --> 00:19:21,369 ...and very committed to the role. 336 00:19:21,578 --> 00:19:24,080 A lot of younger actors, they're very hungry for it. 337 00:19:24,289 --> 00:19:26,332 They wanna be doing these genre films... 338 00:19:26,708 --> 00:19:30,086 ...they wanna have an opportunity to kind of stretch out and not play... 339 00:19:30,295 --> 00:19:32,088 ...the pretty boy romance role anymore. 340 00:19:32,297 --> 00:19:35,258 And to actually have someone with a little bit of a bite to him. 341 00:19:35,467 --> 00:19:38,595 And he certainly has that in scenes later on in the film as well. 342 00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:40,638 This? 343 00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:43,391 This location, actually-- 344 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,394 I'll talk a little bit about locations here because the.... 345 00:19:46,603 --> 00:19:48,772 I love these buildings, these old buildings. 346 00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:51,649 It's in an area called Kota in Jakarta. 347 00:19:51,858 --> 00:19:53,360 And they're all kind of old... 348 00:19:53,568 --> 00:19:57,530 ...sort of Dutch-influenced architecture in terms of the design of the buildings. 349 00:19:57,739 --> 00:20:01,242 Now, none of them have been, like, taken care of or looked after properly. 350 00:20:01,451 --> 00:20:03,036 And so-- You know, when you-- 351 00:20:03,244 --> 00:20:06,664 When you see the grime on the wall, it's all real, it's all from there. 352 00:20:06,873 --> 00:20:09,000 But there's so much texture to them. So much-- 353 00:20:09,209 --> 00:20:10,919 And so many interesting spaces there. 354 00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:14,547 And one of these buildings, basically, would've provided us... 355 00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:18,802 ...with about four or five different locations we could use throughout that building. 356 00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:23,264 So you go from one floor to the next, you go next door to another building. 357 00:20:23,473 --> 00:20:25,558 And suddenly, we'd have shot the porn den... 358 00:20:25,767 --> 00:20:30,855 ...we'd have shot the prison canteen scene, which we're watching right now. 359 00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:33,608 We've also shot the visitor room here. 360 00:20:33,817 --> 00:20:36,069 We shot different scenes in this one building... 361 00:20:36,277 --> 00:20:39,781 ...where it was just like, you know, so many different spaces... 362 00:20:39,989 --> 00:20:44,035 ...so many different architectural designs, all within one roof, basically. 363 00:20:48,206 --> 00:20:50,125 This initially was going to lead off... 364 00:20:50,333 --> 00:20:52,752 ...into another one of those scenes that we deleted. 365 00:20:52,961 --> 00:20:59,092 We deleted it for pacing issues, where-- We were gonna do, like, a flashback. 366 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:04,305 And the flashback was gonna be Iko kind of leaving an elevator... 367 00:21:05,265 --> 00:21:09,519 ...going back to his apartment only to be met by Andi, his brother. 368 00:21:09,727 --> 00:21:12,605 And we had this whole element of, you know, back-story... 369 00:21:12,814 --> 00:21:15,316 ...for, like, a flashback element with his brother. 370 00:21:15,525 --> 00:21:18,403 How he'd given him money and helping him out with his kid... 371 00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:21,239 ...because the idea was that the baby was sick... 372 00:21:21,447 --> 00:21:23,533 ...and that they needed some kind of support. 373 00:21:23,741 --> 00:21:29,956 And, you know, since Rama had retired from being a police officer at that point... 374 00:21:30,165 --> 00:21:33,042 ...in order to kind of keep his head down and keep low... 375 00:21:33,209 --> 00:21:35,295 ...he needed money, that's where it came from. 376 00:21:35,462 --> 00:21:37,964 It was the idea of, like, the shades of gray... 377 00:21:38,173 --> 00:21:41,843 ...in terms of, like, the moral implications of taking money from his brother... 378 00:21:42,051 --> 00:21:44,804 ...who he knows is a criminal. 379 00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:48,391 And there was, like-- There were strong reasons why we cut it. 380 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,894 To be honest, I think the scene wasn't necessary. 381 00:21:51,102 --> 00:21:52,812 It kind of dragged the plot forward. 382 00:21:53,021 --> 00:21:56,566 It kind of, like-- It kind of didn't really kind of move anything forward... 383 00:21:56,774 --> 00:21:58,860 ...at a pace that we needed to in this movie. 384 00:21:59,068 --> 00:22:03,072 But also, I just felt it was kind of a cheap shot in a way. 385 00:22:03,281 --> 00:22:07,076 We were trying to do it to play on the emotional thing about the brother dying. 386 00:22:07,535 --> 00:22:11,998 But I kind of liked to kind of keep this sort of more coldhearted... 387 00:22:12,207 --> 00:22:15,877 ...distanced view of that-- Of that sort of grieving process for him... 388 00:22:16,085 --> 00:22:21,382 ...and not kind of, you know, get too much within that headspace right now. 389 00:22:21,591 --> 00:22:24,469 It would overwhelm what we were trying to do with the scenes... 390 00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:26,804 ...which is to establish more about Uco... 391 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,807 ...establish more about what his investigation is... 392 00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:32,519 ...establish more about what his mission has to become. 393 00:22:32,727 --> 00:22:35,271 And to confuse that with emotional elements... 394 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,942 ...about somebody who'd been killed within the first two, three minutes... 395 00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:43,321 ...it felt like the wrong place and time and the wrong decision to put that scene in. 396 00:22:43,529 --> 00:22:45,823 So that's why we lost it in the end. 397 00:22:46,324 --> 00:22:48,243 I'm the guy gifting you five years of my graft.... 398 00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:53,915 This is Mike Lucock, another Indonesian actor from the film Rumah Dara. 399 00:22:54,123 --> 00:22:56,000 You might notice a pattern here... 400 00:22:56,209 --> 00:22:59,754 ...which is basically that I steal cast members from the Mo Brothers. 401 00:22:59,963 --> 00:23:02,131 And they end up stealing cast members from me. 402 00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:06,970 We kind of-- Me and Timo have been, like, good friends for a long time now. 403 00:23:07,178 --> 00:23:10,014 Timo Tjahjanto is, like, one of the directors of Rumah Dara... 404 00:23:10,223 --> 00:23:11,599 ...alongside Kimo Stamboel. 405 00:23:11,808 --> 00:23:13,893 And so I've become good friends with them. 406 00:23:14,102 --> 00:23:17,647 Then we watch their movies together, we talk about their projects together. 407 00:23:17,855 --> 00:23:20,275 So we're always kind of spitballing ideas about like: 408 00:23:20,483 --> 00:23:23,194 "Who you wanna cast for this? Who you wanna cast for that?" 409 00:23:23,403 --> 00:23:26,239 Always spoken highly about Mike, so we wanted to bring him in. 410 00:23:26,447 --> 00:23:28,825 Only a small role, but the guy was professional. 411 00:23:29,033 --> 00:23:31,619 He came in and then nailed it immediately. 412 00:23:31,828 --> 00:23:35,582 And he presents, like, this opportunity for us to kind of just give... 413 00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:39,585 ...like, a little more hint into that investigative undercover role... 414 00:23:39,794 --> 00:23:43,631 ...for Rama, just to kind of, you know, give that sense. 415 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,509 And it kind of helps us in a way on an exposition level... 416 00:23:46,718 --> 00:23:49,971 ...give that sense of the amount of time that's gonna pass now... 417 00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:55,601 ...and the idea of the amount of damage that Rama did to that politician's son... 418 00:23:55,810 --> 00:23:59,480 ...has put him in prison for a lot longer than he was ever supposed to be. 419 00:23:59,689 --> 00:24:02,108 He was supposed to get himself in for a few months... 420 00:24:02,275 --> 00:24:04,444 ...and then make a name for himself, you know... 421 00:24:04,652 --> 00:24:07,947 ...make himself known to Uco, and then get out. 422 00:24:08,156 --> 00:24:12,410 But, you know, he-- Obviously, as a result of his overwhelming aggression... 423 00:24:12,618 --> 00:24:15,413 ...about the situation with his brother and with Bejo... 424 00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:19,459 ...yeah, he's created this problem for himself. 425 00:24:20,084 --> 00:24:23,838 So now this is the big prison riot scene. 426 00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:27,508 This was the bane of my life for about eight days. 427 00:24:27,717 --> 00:24:31,346 And it was in this incredible location in Gombong... 428 00:24:31,554 --> 00:24:36,184 ...which is about a 12-hour bus ride from Jakarta. 429 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,061 Yeah, as soon as we got there... 430 00:24:38,269 --> 00:24:41,272 ...we booked out every single hotel room we could possibly get... 431 00:24:41,481 --> 00:24:45,360 ...because we were having to kind of look after not just the cast and the crew... 432 00:24:45,568 --> 00:24:48,029 ...but all the extras and all the fighters as well. 433 00:24:48,237 --> 00:24:50,239 A lot of people involved in this shoot. 434 00:24:50,448 --> 00:24:53,493 There's a-- This is, like, a big, heavy load on the production... 435 00:24:53,701 --> 00:24:56,120 ...in terms of, like, what we were trying to achieve. 436 00:24:56,329 --> 00:24:59,957 So, yes, this was Gombong, in a place called Benteng Van Der Wijk... 437 00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:02,627 ...which was, like, an old Dutch fort. 438 00:25:03,294 --> 00:25:04,837 We obviously modified it a lot. 439 00:25:05,046 --> 00:25:07,924 I mean, it was basically just a structure, just a layout. 440 00:25:08,132 --> 00:25:11,344 It was basically like a pentagon shape of red brick walls. 441 00:25:11,803 --> 00:25:15,807 And then we came in and added, you know, fencing, barbed wires... 442 00:25:16,557 --> 00:25:19,977 ...shelters, concrete and tiles... 443 00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:24,732 ...and then we also had to add, like, tons and tons of mud... 444 00:25:24,941 --> 00:25:27,443 ...that we had to actually import to bring there... 445 00:25:27,652 --> 00:25:31,447 ...because we just couldn't get the mud from anywhere local nearby. 446 00:25:31,656 --> 00:25:36,953 And then, of course, my producer, Toro, said that I had a maximum... 447 00:25:37,161 --> 00:25:39,789 ...of two to three days when I was allowed to have rain. 448 00:25:39,997 --> 00:25:41,833 Hence, why when we end up cutting... 449 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:45,712 ...to that sort of pivotal moment of them walking, then the slo-mo kicks in... 450 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,924 ...that we start to lose the rain, we start to make it dry out a little bit. 451 00:25:50,133 --> 00:25:53,845 And so we just have small droplets of rain then, because we were done. 452 00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:56,806 We had no more rain bars we were allowed to use anymore... 453 00:25:57,014 --> 00:25:58,891 ...from that point on. 454 00:25:59,267 --> 00:26:01,477 Yeah, it was-- It was an ambitious shoot. 455 00:26:01,936 --> 00:26:06,858 It was a big, big project for us to do. Filled with lots of logistical errors... 456 00:26:07,066 --> 00:26:11,571 ...which I will kind of, like, highlight in a second, once the fight gets started. 457 00:26:12,113 --> 00:26:15,241 One of the things I wanted to do with fight scenes in this film... 458 00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:19,996 ...was to establish a sense of narrative purpose within the fight scenes. 459 00:26:20,204 --> 00:26:24,751 So I didn't want it to-- For me, it wasn't enough for the fight scene to be... 460 00:26:25,376 --> 00:26:27,128 ...just about the visceral thrills. 461 00:26:27,336 --> 00:26:28,629 So here, we start off... 462 00:26:28,838 --> 00:26:31,924 ...we have the paranoia that he's gonna be the one under attack... 463 00:26:32,133 --> 00:26:36,220 ...only to realize that they're coming after Uco, they're not coming after him at all. 464 00:26:36,429 --> 00:26:38,681 When he realizes they're after Uco, it's like: 465 00:26:38,890 --> 00:26:41,642 "Okay, well, if I don't protect him, my mission's over." 466 00:26:43,102 --> 00:26:46,397 Yeah, I like that kick, so I had to stop myself for that kick there. 467 00:26:46,606 --> 00:26:50,109 That was one of those examples of, like, a punch line in the fight sequence. 468 00:26:50,318 --> 00:26:52,653 We tried to put them in throughout the fights. 469 00:26:52,862 --> 00:26:54,363 We tried to kind of put like.... 470 00:26:54,572 --> 00:26:56,949 If there's something which was three minutes long... 471 00:26:57,158 --> 00:26:59,619 ...we tried to have five, six punch line moments. 472 00:26:59,827 --> 00:27:03,164 And those are-- Those movements within a fight sequence... 473 00:27:03,372 --> 00:27:06,292 ...where it will elicit a reaction from the audience. 474 00:27:06,501 --> 00:27:10,963 And kicking the guy's face into the tiles was definitely one of those. 475 00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:13,466 I'll jump back in to what I was saying... 476 00:27:13,674 --> 00:27:15,885 ...before I completely lose my train of thought. 477 00:27:16,719 --> 00:27:20,598 Yeah, so, you know, it was the idea of-- It's starting off with paranoia... 478 00:27:20,806 --> 00:27:22,600 ...finding out that the target... 479 00:27:22,809 --> 00:27:26,312 ...is actually the person that he needs to, like, you know, get close to... 480 00:27:26,521 --> 00:27:29,357 ...and, you know, that sense of, "If I don't protect him... 481 00:27:29,565 --> 00:27:32,860 ...if I don't keep him alive, I'm just gonna rot in jail for no reason. 482 00:27:33,069 --> 00:27:36,656 It's, like, a waste of my entire time and my entire family's life." 483 00:27:36,864 --> 00:27:42,078 And so, yeah, he becomes a bodyguard and has to kind of assume that role. 484 00:27:42,286 --> 00:27:45,581 And in the process of doing that, we get this character change then. 485 00:27:45,790 --> 00:27:47,583 We have this character arc going on... 486 00:27:47,792 --> 00:27:50,795 ...where Uco's character is knocked out and unconscious... 487 00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:53,172 ...and then he's forced to deal with this.... 488 00:27:53,381 --> 00:27:56,300 You know, this thing of seeing that guy that he wanted dead... 489 00:27:56,509 --> 00:27:58,636 ...no more than about, like, two scenes ago... 490 00:27:58,844 --> 00:28:01,472 ...was now the person responsible for keeping him alive. 491 00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:05,101 And so, you know, it becomes this thing where we, throughout the fight... 492 00:28:05,309 --> 00:28:09,272 ...it's not just the visceral stuff, but also the important plot details. 493 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,984 The important character motivation that's gonna keep us going on then... 494 00:28:13,192 --> 00:28:15,736 ...you know, way beyond the confines of this prison. 495 00:28:17,113 --> 00:28:20,533 So I'm gonna do something really quick here. 496 00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:24,161 There's a long set up here where we had a long take, a long shot... 497 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:27,081 ...I end up splitting it into a bunch of different takes. 498 00:28:27,290 --> 00:28:31,502 So it starts here. And I'm gonna shout "cut" every time there's an edit. 499 00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:33,963 Cut. 500 00:28:34,171 --> 00:28:37,300 We stitched these shots together to make it feel like it's one flow. 501 00:28:37,508 --> 00:28:40,761 I wanted to make you feel like you're watching one really long shot. 502 00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:42,054 Cut. 503 00:28:42,263 --> 00:28:45,182 Because, like, the actual process of shooting this stuff... 504 00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:47,893 ...is really difficult, because it was so much-- Cut. 505 00:28:48,102 --> 00:28:51,480 There's so much chaos going on and there's always mud hitting the lens... 506 00:28:51,689 --> 00:28:55,484 ...and there's all these different, you know, elements that could go wrong. 507 00:28:55,693 --> 00:28:57,695 And we also wanted to kind of, you know... 508 00:28:57,903 --> 00:29:00,406 ...really show off some of our camera movements. 509 00:29:00,615 --> 00:29:02,199 So-- One second. 510 00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:03,909 Cut. 511 00:29:04,201 --> 00:29:05,786 Hold on for one more second. 512 00:29:05,995 --> 00:29:09,290 Cut. Okay, so we wanted to be able to establish this thing... 513 00:29:09,498 --> 00:29:11,959 ...where we were running around with this Fig Rig... 514 00:29:12,168 --> 00:29:15,588 ...and coming down low angles, through the mud, through the fighters... 515 00:29:15,796 --> 00:29:18,424 ...through everything else, then jumping on that crane... 516 00:29:18,633 --> 00:29:20,676 ...to come up for that bird's-eye view shot. 517 00:29:20,885 --> 00:29:23,304 And then to come back down and continue the movement. 518 00:29:23,512 --> 00:29:26,015 And it was this whole one flow of a scene-- Cut. 519 00:29:26,223 --> 00:29:28,976 --where I wanted to be able to stitch every one together. 520 00:29:29,185 --> 00:29:33,606 And we were going from fighter to fighter, prison guards to prisoners... 521 00:29:33,814 --> 00:29:36,817 ...to Rama fighting a bunch of guys, and then back to him again. 522 00:29:37,026 --> 00:29:40,738 Cut. And then we come in and rejoin with Benny against Uco. 523 00:29:40,947 --> 00:29:44,200 It's this thing of making this-- You know, this momentum keep going... 524 00:29:44,408 --> 00:29:47,912 ...and to make the audience feel like they're gonna get just as tired... 525 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,623 ...as the guys who are fighting in this mud. 526 00:29:51,165 --> 00:29:54,251 Speaking of the mud, you can tell now it's starting-- 527 00:29:54,460 --> 00:29:57,171 Mud's getting thicker and thicker, because day by day... 528 00:29:57,380 --> 00:29:59,674 ...we had to keep adding more and more on top... 529 00:29:59,882 --> 00:30:02,885 ...because it was just turning into soup the entire way through. 530 00:30:03,094 --> 00:30:06,305 And it was really difficult, such a hard, hard shoot... 531 00:30:06,514 --> 00:30:09,892 ...so physically demanding on everyone involved, not just the cast... 532 00:30:10,101 --> 00:30:14,480 ...but also the Camera Department too and the Lighting and everyone else. 533 00:30:14,689 --> 00:30:17,441 We-- Working out in Indonesia, it's a nightmare... 534 00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:20,861 ...because, you know, we'd never get, like, sort of, like, a solid... 535 00:30:21,404 --> 00:30:23,322 ...sense of light source from the sun. 536 00:30:23,531 --> 00:30:25,533 It keeps clipping in and out all the time. 537 00:30:25,741 --> 00:30:29,036 The clouds are never consistent. You don't get clear skies at all. 538 00:30:29,245 --> 00:30:32,832 And so we had to build these huge, long silk sheets... 539 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,712 ...to kind of run over the ceiling of that building from one end to another... 540 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,298 ...in order to kind of get a better balance of the color. 541 00:30:42,299 --> 00:30:45,678 This is one of my favorite things that Iko's done in the movie... 542 00:30:45,886 --> 00:30:48,305 ...because this is so, so difficult. 543 00:30:48,514 --> 00:30:52,393 You can watch him. He's barely able to keep his feet still inside the mud... 544 00:30:52,601 --> 00:30:56,272 ...take on all these different guys that are coming at him at a breakneck pace. 545 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,315 So, yeah, we did about maybe.... 546 00:30:58,524 --> 00:31:01,277 We ended up doing about seven or eight takes on that one... 547 00:31:01,485 --> 00:31:03,279 ...which I was expecting a lot more. 548 00:31:03,446 --> 00:31:06,699 But I was so proud to kind of get that take. That was hard. 549 00:31:06,907 --> 00:31:08,951 Like, on a technical level, it's hard anyway. 550 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,078 When we designed this whole fight scene... 551 00:31:11,287 --> 00:31:14,749 ...we designed it in, like, you know, a sports hall with crash mats. 552 00:31:14,957 --> 00:31:17,918 We hadn't figured in-- We hadn't taken into account yet... 553 00:31:18,377 --> 00:31:21,630 ...what it was gonna be like once we'd filled the thing with mud. 554 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:24,925 And I don't think really any of us expected it to be this muddy. 555 00:31:25,134 --> 00:31:27,845 We thought there would be at least some element of grass... 556 00:31:28,054 --> 00:31:33,392 ...and some kind of, like, concrete in there to sort of help with the footing, but, no. 557 00:31:33,851 --> 00:31:36,145 That soup that his head is submerged into... 558 00:31:36,353 --> 00:31:40,483 ...that's what we were dealing with every day of the eight-day shoot on this one. 559 00:31:49,742 --> 00:31:52,620 So now we're jumping forward in time. 560 00:31:53,078 --> 00:31:56,415 And I wanted to kind of have this exit the prison. 561 00:31:56,624 --> 00:31:59,210 Actually this location was actually-- It was a café. 562 00:31:59,418 --> 00:32:03,088 It was a café in the middle of the old town, Kota. Kota again. 563 00:32:03,297 --> 00:32:06,050 Those walls were already like that. They looked like this. 564 00:32:06,258 --> 00:32:08,177 We didn't have to do anything... 565 00:32:08,385 --> 00:32:11,847 ...except add one or two little prison bars on the door, and that was it. 566 00:32:12,056 --> 00:32:13,599 So it was perfect for us. 567 00:32:13,808 --> 00:32:16,102 This is a composite. This shot was a composite. 568 00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:19,980 We couldn't get this high with our Jimmy Jib, with our crane and stuff... 569 00:32:20,189 --> 00:32:22,858 ...so we just shot, like, a little section of the wall... 570 00:32:23,067 --> 00:32:25,653 ...a little section of Arifin crossing over the floor... 571 00:32:25,861 --> 00:32:26,904 ...and just had Andy... 572 00:32:27,112 --> 00:32:31,867 ...our legendary CG guy, who has worked with me on everything I've done... 573 00:32:32,076 --> 00:32:35,412 ...expand the shot out, expand this sort of-- The landscape... 574 00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:38,666 ...to make it feel like it was this one big, huge bird's-eye view. 575 00:32:39,166 --> 00:32:41,043 You can do that yourself. 576 00:32:42,336 --> 00:32:46,340 And so we're establishing now the first of many moments... 577 00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:49,260 ...where we start to show the cracks in the relationship... 578 00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:52,096 ...between Rama and, you know, Bunawar... 579 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,974 ...who's kind of in charge of his investigation... 580 00:32:55,182 --> 00:33:00,229 ...with the idea of Rama removing the wire from his clothing. 581 00:33:00,563 --> 00:33:02,731 Because he knows he's gonna exit that prison... 582 00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:05,442 ...and then be taken under the wing of Uco... 583 00:33:05,651 --> 00:33:08,904 ...and, you know, become part of Bangun's family. 584 00:33:09,113 --> 00:33:12,324 And here's Bangun, played by Tio Pakusadewo. 585 00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:16,370 And so there was just the idea of the first day wearing a wire... 586 00:33:16,579 --> 00:33:18,956 ...is the worst thing that Bunawar could have done. 587 00:33:19,165 --> 00:33:23,627 So he was kind of planting those seeds of, like, doubt and mistrust in them. 588 00:33:25,045 --> 00:33:27,840 Now we're getting into the whole gangster side of things. 589 00:33:28,048 --> 00:33:29,175 We're sort of-- 590 00:33:29,383 --> 00:33:31,802 We're into the families now, the two rival groups. 591 00:33:32,011 --> 00:33:34,930 We get the Japanese side with Kenichi Endo as the lead... 592 00:33:35,139 --> 00:33:39,602 ...and then obviously, Tio Pakusadewo is Bangun, who I mentioned earlier. 593 00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:41,896 Tio had to learn Japanese for this role. 594 00:33:42,104 --> 00:33:44,732 So these lines of dialogue back and forth... 595 00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:48,110 ...we kept it all in Japanese to make it easier for Kenichi Endo... 596 00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,530 ...so he didn't have to learn Indonesian, and fair play to Tio... 597 00:33:51,739 --> 00:33:54,366 ...and also to Oka Antara who plays Eka... 598 00:33:54,575 --> 00:33:57,369 ...there in the background, looking all dapper in his suit. 599 00:33:57,953 --> 00:34:01,540 They both had to kind of learn their Japanese dialogue, and.... 600 00:34:01,749 --> 00:34:03,584 You know, we had a translator on standby. 601 00:34:03,792 --> 00:34:05,753 We had my wife then, Maya... 602 00:34:05,961 --> 00:34:08,797 ...who was kind of overseeing all of the Japanese dialogue... 603 00:34:09,006 --> 00:34:11,342 ...to make sure they are pronouncing correctly. 604 00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:14,011 Japanese casts themselves were cool with it as well. 605 00:34:14,219 --> 00:34:16,430 They came onboard and helped us out as well... 606 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,975 ...suggested some translation changes here and there. 607 00:34:20,184 --> 00:34:22,061 And that's kind of the case really... 608 00:34:22,269 --> 00:34:25,064 ...throughout the whole process of writing the script. 609 00:34:25,272 --> 00:34:27,524 I write everything in English first and foremost. 610 00:34:27,733 --> 00:34:29,860 So the whole script exists in English first... 611 00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:33,822 ...and then it gets translated later on into Indonesian... 612 00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:36,659 ...and then translated further again into Japanese... 613 00:34:36,867 --> 00:34:38,661 ...for these-- For these characters. 614 00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:42,498 And so, you know, when you're doing translations like that, a lot can get-- 615 00:34:42,706 --> 00:34:45,709 A lot can get lost in translation. 616 00:34:46,377 --> 00:34:51,465 And so it's kind of important to be able to get these versions of the script... 617 00:34:51,674 --> 00:34:54,176 ...and workshop them with the cast, and then.... 618 00:34:54,385 --> 00:34:56,428 You know, the benefit I've had... 619 00:34:56,637 --> 00:35:00,015 ...is that a lot of my cast, they speak in fluent English too... 620 00:35:00,224 --> 00:35:01,809 ...so they can read both versions. 621 00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:04,186 They can read the English and the Indonesian. 622 00:35:04,395 --> 00:35:06,230 Read the English and read the Japanese... 623 00:35:06,438 --> 00:35:08,399 ...and then be able to come to me and say: 624 00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:11,318 "You know, I get what you were trying to say in English... 625 00:35:11,527 --> 00:35:13,696 ...but something's gone missing along the way." 626 00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:17,908 And then we'll work together and we'll find the correct term to use, then. 627 00:35:18,117 --> 00:35:20,828 This is all something we do in preproduction. This is all-- 628 00:35:21,036 --> 00:35:22,830 When we're doing our reading sessions. 629 00:35:23,038 --> 00:35:26,542 So we went away. We went off to this, like, place in the middle of Puncak. 630 00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:28,961 It's sort of like this-- Sort of like a villa... 631 00:35:29,169 --> 00:35:32,923 ...and we stayed there for a few days and read through the entire script... 632 00:35:33,132 --> 00:35:36,468 ...and then started making notes of anything that needed to be changed. 633 00:35:36,677 --> 00:35:41,015 Because a lot of times, direct English to Indonesian translation can sound stiff. 634 00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:43,350 It can feel forced. 635 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:47,563 And so we wanted to make sure that, like, it fit the tone of the film... 636 00:35:47,771 --> 00:35:50,065 ...it fit the tones of the characters... 637 00:35:50,566 --> 00:35:56,155 ...and, you know, wasn't sort of too straightforward and direct translation. 638 00:35:56,739 --> 00:35:59,116 --is that you suffer the indignity of an old man seeing your cock-- 639 00:35:59,283 --> 00:36:00,659 This was.... 640 00:36:00,868 --> 00:36:02,953 This scene here was probably the only-- 641 00:36:03,162 --> 00:36:05,914 The one and only time that Iko has ever asked me... 642 00:36:06,123 --> 00:36:09,251 ...if I really, really, really wanted to shoot this kind of a scene. 643 00:36:09,460 --> 00:36:12,504 He seems fine when it comes to people being punched or thrown... 644 00:36:12,713 --> 00:36:14,590 ...or kicked or stabbed or shot at... 645 00:36:14,798 --> 00:36:17,968 ...or, you know, sandwiched between cars. All of that's fine. 646 00:36:18,177 --> 00:36:21,764 But the moment we wanna get him to take any of his clothing off... 647 00:36:21,972 --> 00:36:25,517 ...man, he went nervous and he was really, really quiet for a while... 648 00:36:25,726 --> 00:36:28,062 ...when it was leading up to the shoot to this one. 649 00:36:28,270 --> 00:36:30,689 And so I had to kind of assure him that, you know: 650 00:36:30,898 --> 00:36:32,483 "We're not gonna show anything. 651 00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:35,110 We're gonna be very careful with our framing." 652 00:36:35,319 --> 00:36:37,696 When he actually-- He's not actually doing anything. 653 00:36:37,905 --> 00:36:41,492 He just mimes the movement and we just zoom in to kind of hide everything. 654 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:43,744 But, yeah, like, you've never-- 655 00:36:43,952 --> 00:36:49,291 I've never ever seen him this nervous the entire time I've known him. 656 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,418 So, yeah, fair play to him. 657 00:36:51,627 --> 00:36:55,005 He did-- He did his job and I think the crew.... 658 00:36:56,256 --> 00:36:59,218 They probably did make fun of him quite a lot during the shoot. 659 00:36:59,426 --> 00:37:02,596 But, yeah, he was a trouper and he pulled through on it. 660 00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:10,938 If you're watching this for, like, the second time.... 661 00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:14,858 I'm guessing you should be, you shouldn't listen to my commentary... 662 00:37:15,067 --> 00:37:16,819 ...before you've seen it first time. 663 00:37:17,027 --> 00:37:21,115 You already know what the character of Eka, played by Oka Antara-- 664 00:37:21,323 --> 00:37:25,035 You already know that there's another side to him... 665 00:37:25,244 --> 00:37:28,455 ...where, you know, he's an undercover cop that went-- 666 00:37:28,664 --> 00:37:32,751 That was presumed to have gone rogue and the idea is that-- 667 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,796 You know, that he's been left to sort of hang... 668 00:37:36,004 --> 00:37:37,756 ...and he has had no choice... 669 00:37:37,965 --> 00:37:40,717 ...but to just, you know, survive within this family. 670 00:37:40,926 --> 00:37:43,887 And the only way that he can survive is to become a gangster... 671 00:37:44,096 --> 00:37:46,265 ...is to become one of those thugs. 672 00:37:46,473 --> 00:37:50,018 And he's just been left to hang by his superior, which is Bunawar... 673 00:37:50,227 --> 00:37:52,271 ...by all intents and purposes. 674 00:37:52,479 --> 00:37:55,357 And so I wanted to play on this idea a little bit of-- 675 00:37:55,566 --> 00:37:57,025 There's only a few moments... 676 00:37:57,234 --> 00:38:00,112 ...but I wanted to play on the idea that there are moments... 677 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,616 ...where he hints either through dialogue or through gestures... 678 00:38:04,825 --> 00:38:07,870 ...that maybe he knows that Rama is an undercover cop. 679 00:38:08,078 --> 00:38:10,998 So there's the idea that, you know, there's a possibility... 680 00:38:11,165 --> 00:38:15,002 ...there was more than one wire in Rama's clothing, that's why Rama is terrified... 681 00:38:15,169 --> 00:38:18,964 ...because he knows that there would be more than just the one connection. 682 00:38:19,173 --> 00:38:23,051 And that, you know, when Oka actually says that it's clear... 683 00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:26,638 ...that it's all fine, who knows, maybe he did find something. 684 00:38:26,847 --> 00:38:28,849 He's protecting him because he knows that-- 685 00:38:29,057 --> 00:38:31,727 You know, he knows the position that Rama is in. 686 00:38:31,935 --> 00:38:33,937 And later on, that kicks in again. 687 00:38:34,146 --> 00:38:36,940 There's a scene coming up soon when Rama is introduced... 688 00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:38,609 ...to his apartment block... 689 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,361 ...and Eka says to him directly-- 690 00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:47,326 He says, you know, "I feel like we come from the same place, you and I. 691 00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:49,620 I hope that's not where our similarities end." 692 00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:52,498 And that was like a sort of premonition, in a way... 693 00:38:52,706 --> 00:38:54,708 ...for the fact that they both share... 694 00:38:54,917 --> 00:38:59,379 ...that hidden identity as undercover cop, then. 695 00:39:01,548 --> 00:39:03,383 -just call and they'll take care of it. 696 00:39:03,592 --> 00:39:05,093 Thanks. 697 00:39:05,677 --> 00:39:09,431 We did a lot of studio work for building locations, like-- 698 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,227 So previously, we had Bangun's office, and now we have Rama's apartment. 699 00:39:13,435 --> 00:39:16,855 And all of these were built inside a studio set. 700 00:39:17,397 --> 00:39:19,983 And whenever possible, we would try to build... 701 00:39:20,192 --> 00:39:22,361 ...three or four sets within one studio space... 702 00:39:22,569 --> 00:39:25,072 ...that we could just jump around from room to room... 703 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,450 ...and be able to maximize our shooting time. 704 00:39:28,659 --> 00:39:30,452 But, yeah, the-- 705 00:39:30,661 --> 00:39:33,872 Our Art Department, led by Moty and his team, they did a good job... 706 00:39:34,081 --> 00:39:38,210 ...on trying to kind of, like, you know, create sort of, you know.... 707 00:39:38,418 --> 00:39:42,089 Like a sort of a minimalist, but, you know, nice-looking design... 708 00:39:42,297 --> 00:39:45,050 ...with a minimal amount of money that we could give them... 709 00:39:45,259 --> 00:39:48,929 ...in order to kind of execute the ideas that I had in mind. 710 00:39:53,642 --> 00:39:56,770 So I'm gonna talk a little bit about the music now. 711 00:39:56,979 --> 00:40:01,358 So on the first Raid, we had an original score from Indonesia... 712 00:40:01,566 --> 00:40:04,653 ...which was done by Fajar Yuskemal and Aria Prayogi. 713 00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:05,988 And then later on-- 714 00:40:06,196 --> 00:40:09,408 I mean, this was kind of decided before we'd even completed the film. 715 00:40:09,616 --> 00:40:12,869 Like, Sony Pictures Classics, Sony Worldwide... 716 00:40:13,078 --> 00:40:16,540 ...wanted to kind of replace the audio, replace the score... 717 00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:20,085 ...with something that they could easily market and sell to the masses. 718 00:40:20,294 --> 00:40:22,212 That became an alternative score... 719 00:40:22,421 --> 00:40:28,176 ...done by Joe Trapanese and Mike Shinoda from Linkin Park. 720 00:40:28,385 --> 00:40:31,013 And so that was like a-- It was a great opportunity... 721 00:40:31,221 --> 00:40:33,598 ...for me to be able to have my film scored twice... 722 00:40:33,807 --> 00:40:36,768 ...and to be able to hear where the similarities would be... 723 00:40:36,977 --> 00:40:40,314 ...and then also, you know, where the differences would occur... 724 00:40:40,522 --> 00:40:45,152 ...in terms of, like, what tone they thought I was going for scene by scene. 725 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,655 But at the same time, it was difficult. 726 00:40:48,864 --> 00:40:50,282 It was a real hard thing... 727 00:40:50,490 --> 00:40:54,286 ...to be able to discuss openly with my composers from Indonesia... 728 00:40:54,494 --> 00:40:57,998 ...because they put in all this work and they were so proud of their work... 729 00:40:58,206 --> 00:40:59,249 ...and so was I. 730 00:40:59,458 --> 00:41:02,002 Like, I was very happy with the work they did. 731 00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:07,090 Then for it to kind of slip by the wayside, not be kind of have given a platform... 732 00:41:07,299 --> 00:41:11,345 ...for other people to hear their work, it was hard for them. 733 00:41:11,553 --> 00:41:13,680 And I totally understand where they came from. 734 00:41:13,889 --> 00:41:17,184 I know they weren't happy that they lost out on that opportunity... 735 00:41:17,392 --> 00:41:20,812 ...for their work to be played in different territories. 736 00:41:21,021 --> 00:41:24,983 But for this one, I wanted to kind of take every step possible... 737 00:41:25,192 --> 00:41:27,319 ...to prevent that from being the case. 738 00:41:27,527 --> 00:41:30,364 And one of the ways that I could do that... 739 00:41:30,572 --> 00:41:32,324 ...was by making sure... 740 00:41:32,532 --> 00:41:36,787 ...that I combined Joe Trapanese and Aria Prayogi... 741 00:41:36,995 --> 00:41:39,331 ...and then Fajar Yuskemal together... 742 00:41:39,539 --> 00:41:42,918 ...to make this composition as a sort of a-- 743 00:41:43,126 --> 00:41:47,005 As a mix of Western and then Eastern sort of styles. 744 00:41:47,214 --> 00:41:48,799 And so, you know, they're-- 745 00:41:49,007 --> 00:41:51,635 All three of them are classically trained musicians. 746 00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:54,054 And they all have very similar tastes and that-- 747 00:41:54,262 --> 00:41:57,182 But what Fajar and Ogi can bring to the table... 748 00:41:57,391 --> 00:42:01,103 ...was, like, a deeper understanding of those traditional Indonesian music-- 749 00:42:01,311 --> 00:42:03,188 Musical elements, those instruments. 750 00:42:03,397 --> 00:42:07,275 And then what Joe could bring to it, obviously was that kind of, you know.... 751 00:42:07,484 --> 00:42:10,487 Those really hard sort of, like, electronic beats to it. 752 00:42:10,695 --> 00:42:13,865 But then also what I love about-- Especially this scene now. 753 00:42:14,074 --> 00:42:17,035 And it's kind of, like, perfect timing for us to discuss this... 754 00:42:17,244 --> 00:42:21,123 ...is that amongst all of this sort of aggressive... 755 00:42:21,331 --> 00:42:25,419 ...hard, rough, edgy sort of, like, you know, electronic sounds... 756 00:42:25,627 --> 00:42:27,963 ...that we put in to all the fight sequences.... 757 00:42:28,171 --> 00:42:30,132 Like, here was that key moment... 758 00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:33,009 ...when the first two days of them working together... 759 00:42:33,218 --> 00:42:36,138 ...when we flew them out to L.A., we gave them this scene. 760 00:42:36,346 --> 00:42:39,975 I wanted them to start here because I felt that this scene, this one moment... 761 00:42:40,142 --> 00:42:42,811 ...where we have, like, a quiet... 762 00:42:43,019 --> 00:42:46,898 ...sort of contemplative sequence between Rama and his wife... 763 00:42:47,107 --> 00:42:51,027 ...after not speaking to her, not being able to communicate to her for three years. 764 00:42:51,236 --> 00:42:54,406 We needed something there that would work on an emotional element... 765 00:42:54,614 --> 00:42:56,950 ...and really sort of set the tone for the film... 766 00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,786 ...and really kind of back up what I was trying to do... 767 00:42:59,995 --> 00:43:01,997 ...on a visual and a performance level. 768 00:43:02,205 --> 00:43:05,083 And so, yeah, they collaborated together... 769 00:43:05,292 --> 00:43:07,085 ...and brought so much heart and soul. 770 00:43:07,294 --> 00:43:12,883 Like, this scene is pretty much carried so heavily by the score. 771 00:43:13,091 --> 00:43:16,386 It's one of my favorite pieces of music in the entire film... 772 00:43:16,595 --> 00:43:18,805 ...so much so that we ended up reusing it... 773 00:43:19,014 --> 00:43:22,434 ...for the-- Sort of the tail end of the end credits. 774 00:43:22,642 --> 00:43:26,438 I gotta say, I mean, in addition to the fact that the music is so great here... 775 00:43:26,646 --> 00:43:29,816 ...one of the other things I'm happy with is Iko's performance. 776 00:43:30,025 --> 00:43:32,486 And, you know, it often gets overlooked... 777 00:43:32,694 --> 00:43:36,531 ...because everyone kind of focuses on the fact that, yeah, he can beat the shit... 778 00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:39,576 ...out of people, left, right and center, but when it comes... 779 00:43:39,784 --> 00:43:43,747 ...to sort of the physical performance and the actual dramatic performance... 780 00:43:43,955 --> 00:43:45,707 ...I think he's just brilliant. 781 00:43:45,916 --> 00:43:47,501 I think he's so good here. 782 00:43:47,709 --> 00:43:52,297 And it's so much in his eyes there, so much in these little tiny gestures. 783 00:43:52,506 --> 00:43:55,926 You know, little gl-- Little sort of, like, curl of a smile and stuff. 784 00:43:56,134 --> 00:43:58,887 It's just-- It all came from this ability that he has now. 785 00:43:59,095 --> 00:44:01,014 Because on the previous two movies... 786 00:44:01,223 --> 00:44:04,226 ...like, he was still kind of lacking in world experience. 787 00:44:04,434 --> 00:44:06,353 He hadn't really done much really. 788 00:44:06,561 --> 00:44:10,106 He'd kind of, you know, just lived his life in a very sort of young way... 789 00:44:10,315 --> 00:44:12,442 ...a very sort of immature way, and then.... 790 00:44:12,651 --> 00:44:16,196 You know, suddenly, we go into this one and he's married... 791 00:44:16,404 --> 00:44:18,490 ...he's expecting his first child. 792 00:44:18,698 --> 00:44:21,826 And so then I was able to, you know.... 793 00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:25,664 Not exploit, but I was able to get inside his head more... 794 00:44:25,872 --> 00:44:30,252 ...then to call upon those fears you have when you're an expectant father. 795 00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:33,380 About, you know-- Of not being able to be there for a child... 796 00:44:33,547 --> 00:44:36,258 ...not being able to be around to hear those first words... 797 00:44:36,466 --> 00:44:38,760 ...to be able to, like, see those first steps. 798 00:44:38,969 --> 00:44:41,304 And so I was able to kind of push and prod him... 799 00:44:41,513 --> 00:44:44,766 ...and get a stronger emotional performance out of him. 800 00:44:45,183 --> 00:44:49,479 Okay, so the porn den. The legendary porn den. 801 00:44:50,772 --> 00:44:53,108 This is one of those locations I told you about... 802 00:44:53,316 --> 00:44:56,444 ...when we were shooting in the prison canteen... 803 00:44:56,653 --> 00:45:00,699 ...and then also the warden's office. This was, like, the ground floor of that. 804 00:45:00,991 --> 00:45:03,118 And just for trivia... 805 00:45:03,326 --> 00:45:06,663 ...because we're dealing with an Indonesian censors board... 806 00:45:06,872 --> 00:45:10,083 ...we had to be careful what we show and what we don't show on screen. 807 00:45:10,292 --> 00:45:12,711 And so when it came to those TV monitors... 808 00:45:12,919 --> 00:45:18,675 ...all of the sort of movements of flesh, when you really look at them in detail... 809 00:45:18,884 --> 00:45:23,221 ...it's one of my ADs. And all he's doing is just bumping his elbows together. 810 00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:26,349 So it's just that. There's no actual nudity on screen. 811 00:45:26,558 --> 00:45:28,518 We wouldn't be able to get away with it. 812 00:45:28,727 --> 00:45:32,564 I didn't wanna have to go through and change anything in post unnecessarily. 813 00:45:32,772 --> 00:45:35,859 So, yeah, it's elbow time. 814 00:45:36,067 --> 00:45:38,445 Okay, so this actor, Epy Kusnandar... 815 00:45:38,653 --> 00:45:42,991 ...is one of my all-time favorite guys I've worked with. 816 00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:44,784 We worked with him-- 817 00:45:44,993 --> 00:45:48,538 Me and Timo, sorry, worked with him on Safe Haven, our short film. 818 00:45:48,747 --> 00:45:52,542 And Timo has worked with him ever since and so have I now. 819 00:45:52,751 --> 00:45:56,087 He's just such a great character actor and a good sport too. 820 00:45:56,296 --> 00:46:00,008 Because all of those clumps of hair missing from his head... 821 00:46:00,175 --> 00:46:02,844 ...yeah, I was telling the hairdresser, "Just go for it... 822 00:46:03,053 --> 00:46:07,182 ...and just don't do anything according to what you would normally do." 823 00:46:08,475 --> 00:46:11,645 I'm gonna probably lose my thought, so I have to talk about this. 824 00:46:11,853 --> 00:46:15,440 This is my one and only time I've ever written an Indonesian joke. 825 00:46:15,649 --> 00:46:18,902 And it's a shame because this is one of those one and only times... 826 00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:23,198 ...where this would absolutely get cut from an Indonesian market. 827 00:46:23,406 --> 00:46:26,534 But the whole thing of joki and why it works so well in Indonesia... 828 00:46:26,743 --> 00:46:28,703 ...when she says, "Where do you come from?" 829 00:46:28,912 --> 00:46:33,792 "Joki" in Indonesia is when you have like a carpool lane in the U.S... 830 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,710 ...or you have these roads... 831 00:46:35,919 --> 00:46:38,755 ...that you have to have more than one passenger in your car. 832 00:46:38,964 --> 00:46:41,883 And in Indonesia, when you're driving along those areas... 833 00:46:42,092 --> 00:46:45,428 ...before you get to those roads, there's always people at the side... 834 00:46:45,637 --> 00:46:47,305 ...and they'll put their fingers up. 835 00:46:47,514 --> 00:46:52,143 And if you stop over, you can pick one up and then give them like a dollar or $2... 836 00:46:52,352 --> 00:46:54,187 ...and they'll ride the road with you. 837 00:46:54,396 --> 00:46:57,732 And then they get off at the end of the road, and then that's done. 838 00:46:57,941 --> 00:47:00,902 But the idea is that the poor kid behind that curtain... 839 00:47:01,111 --> 00:47:05,031 ...who is being treated so terribly by her is just one of those guys from the joki... 840 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,617 ...when you kind of put the two images together. 841 00:47:07,826 --> 00:47:11,746 For an Indonesian audience, at least, it kind of works really well as a gag. 842 00:47:11,955 --> 00:47:14,207 But, unfortunately, they won't get to see that. 843 00:47:14,791 --> 00:47:18,503 So let's step away from the dildos and go back to Epy's hair. 844 00:47:18,712 --> 00:47:23,049 Basically, my whole remit on that one, I told the makeup guy and the-- 845 00:47:23,258 --> 00:47:25,927 The hairdresser, sorry, for the role and that, I said: 846 00:47:26,136 --> 00:47:30,765 "It's the equivalent of this porn baron... 847 00:47:30,974 --> 00:47:34,436 ...taking a photograph of some model that he saw in a catalog." 848 00:47:34,644 --> 00:47:37,731 Instead of taking that photograph to a salon to replicate it... 849 00:47:38,273 --> 00:47:42,360 ...he took it to a junkie that he knows two streets down that has a pair of scissors. 850 00:47:42,569 --> 00:47:45,780 And so that was like the design. It was like, "Give me that haircut. 851 00:47:45,989 --> 00:47:47,282 Give him that look." 852 00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:51,035 And so, yeah, we really just destroyed and ruined him. 853 00:47:54,497 --> 00:47:57,792 So now we're getting into our thing of building up the tension... 854 00:47:58,001 --> 00:48:01,337 ...of the fight sequence before it all kicks off and explodes. 855 00:48:01,546 --> 00:48:03,089 This is something I like to do. 856 00:48:03,298 --> 00:48:05,425 I like to have calm-before-the-storm moments. 857 00:48:05,633 --> 00:48:10,638 And, basically, what I wanted to do is to kind of play around with, like, reflections. 858 00:48:10,847 --> 00:48:15,143 And we designed this thing where-- And it took ages for us to set this up... 859 00:48:15,351 --> 00:48:18,813 ...because it was a combination of positioning of the water on the floor... 860 00:48:19,022 --> 00:48:21,441 ...then also, the strength of the light on the gun... 861 00:48:21,649 --> 00:48:25,069 ...and then, you know, darkening the floor surface where the water was... 862 00:48:25,278 --> 00:48:27,822 ...in order for us to be able to just get this shot. 863 00:48:28,031 --> 00:48:30,992 So this sequence took like-- It took us like a day... 864 00:48:31,201 --> 00:48:33,620 ...to just get all of the build-up elements done... 865 00:48:33,828 --> 00:48:37,582 ...before we were able to kind of move forward, then back to the normal... 866 00:48:37,791 --> 00:48:41,920 ...you know, head slamming, kicking and pushing and shooting. 867 00:48:50,261 --> 00:48:53,556 So this was Oka's first introduction to do an action scene. 868 00:48:53,765 --> 00:48:57,560 And this stunt right here, with the pull down to the guy on the table... 869 00:48:57,977 --> 00:49:01,481 ...that went terribly, terribly wrong on the first guy that did it. 870 00:49:01,689 --> 00:49:04,984 Because the guy who first did it misjudged his fall. 871 00:49:05,193 --> 00:49:06,444 Fell down way too early... 872 00:49:06,653 --> 00:49:10,949 ...and then almost cracked his ribcage open against the edge of the table. 873 00:49:11,324 --> 00:49:14,536 It was a bit of a rough patch for Oka. I think he was kind of-- 874 00:49:14,744 --> 00:49:17,705 He was definitely, like, a little bit emotional about it. 875 00:49:17,914 --> 00:49:20,875 But I had to take him inside and say, "This is going to happen. 876 00:49:21,084 --> 00:49:25,713 That kind of stuff will happen to everyone on the shoot in some capacity or another. 877 00:49:25,922 --> 00:49:29,926 You know, don't beat yourself up about it. Just-- Like, this is-- Carry on. 878 00:49:30,134 --> 00:49:33,429 Let's do the stunt. Gonna have to do it because we're not gonna stop. 879 00:49:33,638 --> 00:49:35,348 You're gonna have to keep going." 880 00:49:35,682 --> 00:49:37,433 And...there you go. 881 00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:42,105 Okay, so this stunt, jumping forward through the window... 882 00:49:42,313 --> 00:49:44,607 ...I hate doing the stuff with glass. 883 00:49:44,816 --> 00:49:47,569 It's my least favorite whenever it comes to these stunts... 884 00:49:47,777 --> 00:49:50,363 ...because it doesn't matter we're using tempered glass. 885 00:49:50,572 --> 00:49:55,660 Yeah, people get little cuts from them. It's just the way the glass is. 886 00:49:55,994 --> 00:49:57,829 And so-- Especially for a jump like that. 887 00:49:58,037 --> 00:50:02,166 We had Yandi, our stunt guy, stunt doubling for Epy to do the jump. 888 00:50:02,667 --> 00:50:06,170 And you can see, if you go through it frame by frame... 889 00:50:06,379 --> 00:50:10,258 ...literally about three frames before he makes impact with the glass... 890 00:50:10,466 --> 00:50:13,261 ...we had like an-- Like a squib charge go off... 891 00:50:13,469 --> 00:50:15,847 ...to kind of make it splintered already. 892 00:50:16,055 --> 00:50:19,267 And so, yeah, the timing of the squib guys was just amazing. 893 00:50:19,475 --> 00:50:21,060 It was just perfect for that. 894 00:50:21,769 --> 00:50:25,565 Epy himself is like-- You know, he's a very kind of physical actor. 895 00:50:25,773 --> 00:50:28,359 Like, when we did Safe Haven, he wanted to be the guy... 896 00:50:28,526 --> 00:50:32,322 ...who would do the jumps and the grabs and the stabs and everything else. 897 00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:33,740 But on this one... 898 00:50:33,948 --> 00:50:37,535 ...there are certain moments where we just had to bring in a fight double. 899 00:50:37,744 --> 00:50:39,996 But he trained as much as anyone else did. 900 00:50:40,413 --> 00:50:43,416 He came in and sort of, like, learned the choreography with Iko. 901 00:50:43,625 --> 00:50:47,170 And, yeah, for his moments when it is him, man, he went full-on. 902 00:50:47,879 --> 00:50:50,506 So I was proud of him and proud of his performance here. 903 00:50:50,715 --> 00:50:53,885 And he's a great comedic actor. He's got great timing as well. 904 00:50:54,093 --> 00:50:55,678 And he's got this great look, so-- 905 00:50:55,887 --> 00:50:58,348 Yeah, absolute joy to work with him again. 906 00:50:58,973 --> 00:51:00,642 He did good. 907 00:51:00,808 --> 00:51:02,727 Hounded him down quickly and cleanly. 908 00:51:02,894 --> 00:51:05,021 You'd swear he's been doing it all his life. 909 00:51:05,188 --> 00:51:06,606 Didn't take a wrong step. 910 00:51:09,108 --> 00:51:10,318 Okay. 911 00:51:10,485 --> 00:51:13,237 So, what I wanted to do is kind of like-- With this scene... 912 00:51:13,446 --> 00:51:18,534 ...was start to sow the seeds of Uco's ambitions... 913 00:51:18,743 --> 00:51:22,205 ...and to present him as somebody who, you know, wants more in life. 914 00:51:22,413 --> 00:51:25,166 Now, Uco as a character... 915 00:51:27,168 --> 00:51:31,673 ...it's difficult for me to describe because for me, for Uco... 916 00:51:31,881 --> 00:51:36,970 ...I have, like, a certain feeling of, like, sympathy for him... 917 00:51:37,178 --> 00:51:38,513 ...in certain respects. 918 00:51:38,721 --> 00:51:40,974 Like, he does have this vulnerable side of him... 919 00:51:41,182 --> 00:51:44,352 ...kind of created from the distance between him and his father. 920 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,647 And so there is like a sympathy towards him as well. 921 00:51:47,855 --> 00:51:49,565 But at the same time... 922 00:51:49,774 --> 00:51:53,945 ...like, I also kind of hate him too, which is kind of contradictory, I guess. 923 00:51:54,153 --> 00:51:58,449 But the thing that Uco represents is this-- 924 00:51:58,658 --> 00:52:05,290 This terrible elitist side of some of the Indonesian upper class. 925 00:52:05,623 --> 00:52:11,295 Like, these sort of spoiled rich kids that you see just sort of bitching endlessly... 926 00:52:11,504 --> 00:52:15,591 ...and moaning about, like, the country and the way it's run and the way it is... 927 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,720 ...and, you know, how much better other countries are than it. 928 00:52:18,928 --> 00:52:21,055 And then they just don't do anything about it. 929 00:52:21,264 --> 00:52:24,309 They just continue to bitch and moan. And they have the resources. 930 00:52:24,517 --> 00:52:26,561 They have the finance, the connections. 931 00:52:26,769 --> 00:52:29,188 They have so much at their disposal they could use... 932 00:52:29,397 --> 00:52:31,774 ...in order to help out the country, but they don't. 933 00:52:31,983 --> 00:52:34,485 They choose to just, you know, do what this guy does... 934 00:52:34,694 --> 00:52:38,364 ...which is, you know, get drunk and then, you know, abuse his power... 935 00:52:38,573 --> 00:52:41,326 ...abuse his position and his situation. 936 00:52:41,534 --> 00:52:45,163 So to a certain degree, I guess, yeah, it's-- 937 00:52:45,371 --> 00:52:48,791 It's a love-hate relationship that I felt with Uco when I was writing him. 938 00:52:57,759 --> 00:52:59,802 Would you like a drink? 939 00:52:59,969 --> 00:53:02,055 No, I'm fine, thanks. 940 00:53:03,598 --> 00:53:07,310 So this was a moment then-- Because previously we had this scene... 941 00:53:07,769 --> 00:53:10,271 ...where this was carrying on-- About Uco's character. 942 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,274 But previously we had the scene with Uco with his father... 943 00:53:13,483 --> 00:53:16,527 ...where we kind of got to instill some sympathy in him. 944 00:53:16,736 --> 00:53:19,322 We got to feel this moment where he was reaching out... 945 00:53:19,530 --> 00:53:22,408 ...and trying to be ambitious, trying to show his father... 946 00:53:22,617 --> 00:53:25,036 ...what he wanted to achieve, what he wanted to be... 947 00:53:25,244 --> 00:53:29,582 ...and to say, like, "I'm ready for this," only to be told "no" by his father... 948 00:53:29,791 --> 00:53:32,668 ...only to be completely sort of emasculated by him. 949 00:53:32,877 --> 00:53:37,465 And so then what I wanted to do is just to give this audience a moment... 950 00:53:37,673 --> 00:53:41,552 ...where they have this window into his character, feel something for him... 951 00:53:41,761 --> 00:53:46,641 ...to completely, like, destroy that sympathy within the next scene. 952 00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:51,104 Because he already is, you know, instigating this situation. 953 00:53:51,312 --> 00:53:54,774 He's pushing for this moment. He wants to vent on someone. 954 00:53:54,982 --> 00:53:56,776 And the people he's picking... 955 00:53:56,984 --> 00:54:00,321 ...are people that, you know, can't defend themselves against him... 956 00:54:00,530 --> 00:54:02,532 ...that are powerless against him. 957 00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:04,826 And so the-- You know, this-- 958 00:54:05,034 --> 00:54:08,663 We-- I know when we did, like, our first sort of like edit of this and we'd-- 959 00:54:08,871 --> 00:54:12,750 And I presented this scene as part of sort of the rough cut of the film... 960 00:54:13,209 --> 00:54:15,920 ...there were a lot of question marks over it. 961 00:54:16,129 --> 00:54:20,383 Because I know, like, some of the guys, like, at XYZ were kind of wondering: 962 00:54:20,591 --> 00:54:22,552 "Is it too much? Is it too strong? 963 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,805 Do we need it? Do we need to see this side of him and--" You know? 964 00:54:26,013 --> 00:54:29,475 I'll be honest. I wanted to push it ahead, I wanted to push it through... 965 00:54:29,684 --> 00:54:33,646 ...because I just felt like it was so important to have something in there... 966 00:54:33,855 --> 00:54:38,526 ...which presented Uco as, you know, our potential bad guy. 967 00:54:39,527 --> 00:54:42,989 Because he skirts this line of being someone we can sympathize with... 968 00:54:43,197 --> 00:54:46,451 ...and then somebody who's just absolutely morally reprehensible. 969 00:54:46,659 --> 00:54:50,788 And so this was like that-- Sort of like that big showcase moment of-- 970 00:54:50,997 --> 00:54:53,708 Of that element of him, that dark side of him... 971 00:54:53,916 --> 00:54:57,003 ...that aggression in him, the demon in him, really. 972 00:54:57,336 --> 00:54:58,629 Don't you fucking dare! 973 00:54:59,130 --> 00:55:02,049 And Patty here is great. She was so great in this performance. 974 00:55:02,258 --> 00:55:06,053 We wanted to have this moment where it's like she's been in this situation before. 975 00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:09,307 And the-- Maybe the last time she hesitated... 976 00:55:09,515 --> 00:55:11,058 ...and didn't press the button. 977 00:55:11,267 --> 00:55:14,395 And we wanted to kind of have this, like, little section for her... 978 00:55:14,604 --> 00:55:16,355 ...and a subpart of her character... 979 00:55:16,564 --> 00:55:19,192 ...where she's not gonna make that mistake again. 980 00:55:19,650 --> 00:55:21,944 "Oh, I'm sorry, I can't. No, no." Bullshit! 981 00:55:22,111 --> 00:55:23,404 But not tonight! 982 00:55:23,571 --> 00:55:27,366 So this dialogue was improvised. This is something that we-- That I came to Uco-- 983 00:55:27,533 --> 00:55:30,703 I came to Arifin and said, "I've written this dialogue for you... 984 00:55:30,912 --> 00:55:34,123 ...and this is gonna be that moment where we start introducing you... 985 00:55:34,332 --> 00:55:38,044 ...complaining about sort of, like, you know, the country on a national level... 986 00:55:38,252 --> 00:55:42,924 ...and to sort of start sewing those seeds of, like, false patriotism." 987 00:55:44,133 --> 00:55:47,011 Is everything okay here, sir? 988 00:55:47,929 --> 00:55:49,931 No, we're all good. 989 00:55:50,765 --> 00:55:54,644 I loved shooting in this place. This is my favorite day of the shoot... 990 00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:57,813 ...because all the cast were so given to the scene... 991 00:55:58,022 --> 00:56:01,025 ...and they all kind of, like, nailed their performances. 992 00:56:01,234 --> 00:56:05,071 And on top of that, we got this great sort of, like, looking production design... 993 00:56:05,279 --> 00:56:07,281 ...for the actual set itself. 994 00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:12,787 This is a real karaoke place in Bandung that we shot in. 995 00:56:12,995 --> 00:56:18,042 And if you look closely, you can see, like, outside of the main door... 996 00:56:18,251 --> 00:56:22,171 ...all of the names of the karaoke booths that are written on the doors. 997 00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:24,674 So they have-- Not on this because we replaced it. 998 00:56:24,882 --> 00:56:27,593 But they all have names of countries... 999 00:56:27,802 --> 00:56:31,055 ...and they're all themed according to different countries. 1000 00:56:31,264 --> 00:56:36,686 Part of the reason why Arifin mentions about meeting up with Uzbeki girls... 1001 00:56:36,894 --> 00:56:40,189 ...is because every time we would kind of walk down these corridors... 1002 00:56:40,606 --> 00:56:43,818 ...you'd see these rooms themed to do with different countries. 1003 00:56:44,026 --> 00:56:46,112 So there was-- There was Russia, Uzbekistan. 1004 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,489 And that just-- It became one of those things... 1005 00:56:48,698 --> 00:56:50,491 ...that I'd hear the crew guys saying. 1006 00:56:50,658 --> 00:56:53,869 And then that became like an element of the dialogue in the film then. 1007 00:56:54,036 --> 00:56:56,539 I'm fine, I don't care what some hooker says. 1008 00:56:57,665 --> 00:56:59,375 It's that she had the fucking nerve-- 1009 00:56:59,584 --> 00:57:03,879 So here we're having this first opportunity for Rama and Uco to have like a-- 1010 00:57:04,088 --> 00:57:07,633 Have a quiet moment where they're open and sharing with each other. 1011 00:57:07,842 --> 00:57:10,678 We had a deleted scene that, you know, was way back... 1012 00:57:10,845 --> 00:57:12,888 ...in the prison riot. After the prison riot. 1013 00:57:13,097 --> 00:57:17,101 Were gonna have a scene of them being dragged into two confinement cells... 1014 00:57:17,310 --> 00:57:21,314 ...and sat next to each other and, you know, discussing the future... 1015 00:57:21,522 --> 00:57:25,568 ...and discussing what they're going to do now that they would come under attack... 1016 00:57:25,776 --> 00:57:27,737 ...in the prison. And that was designed... 1017 00:57:27,945 --> 00:57:30,656 ...to sort of establish their relationship together. 1018 00:57:30,865 --> 00:57:33,159 But then we cut it for numerous reasons. 1019 00:57:33,367 --> 00:57:35,745 One of the main ones being pacing. 1020 00:57:35,953 --> 00:57:38,914 And I'm kind of glad we did because it works so much better... 1021 00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:42,335 ...with this being that first moment, the time when he's vulnerable... 1022 00:57:42,543 --> 00:57:45,630 ...and, you know, still within a certain amount of anger and rage. 1023 00:57:45,838 --> 00:57:48,674 That it was a good opportunity for us to do that. 1024 00:57:49,634 --> 00:57:51,927 Okay, so I gotta explain that... 1025 00:57:52,136 --> 00:57:53,846 ...because it'll come back later on. 1026 00:57:54,055 --> 00:57:56,807 The cold breath in the air. 1027 00:57:58,351 --> 00:58:00,978 This is something that ties in with the snow later on... 1028 00:58:01,187 --> 00:58:04,273 ...in the film, and, you know, we'll see it later on. 1029 00:58:04,482 --> 00:58:06,651 But I'll kind of give an explanation for it. 1030 00:58:06,859 --> 00:58:10,821 So anytime that Bejo is involved in this film... 1031 00:58:11,614 --> 00:58:14,450 ...I wanted it to feel like the temperature of the film drops. 1032 00:58:14,658 --> 00:58:18,537 So the very first time we see him with Donny, with Andi's char-- 1033 00:58:18,746 --> 00:58:21,165 Sorry. Donny's character, Andi... 1034 00:58:21,916 --> 00:58:23,209 ...Andi is shivering. 1035 00:58:23,417 --> 00:58:26,921 Like, they're all wearing winter coats. And that's very, like, uncommon... 1036 00:58:27,129 --> 00:58:28,547 ...in terms of Indonesia. 1037 00:58:28,756 --> 00:58:33,052 And then, you know, when Bejo phones up with Uco... 1038 00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:36,681 ...his breath comes out. We see it hanging in the air. 1039 00:58:36,889 --> 00:58:40,142 And so then there's this link then between the two. 1040 00:58:40,351 --> 00:58:43,521 Later on, we'll see the guys being pulled out of a freezer. 1041 00:58:43,729 --> 00:58:46,565 There's a sacrifice, and then they're shivering as well. 1042 00:58:46,774 --> 00:58:50,277 And then the final climax of it is obviously with Prakoso... 1043 00:58:50,486 --> 00:58:53,698 ...is the idea that, you know, it's reached that tipping point now... 1044 00:58:53,906 --> 00:58:58,869 ...where there's snow everywhere and that it fills the entire landscape. 1045 00:58:59,620 --> 00:59:00,955 To a certain degree... 1046 00:59:01,163 --> 00:59:04,166 ...that's a complete bullshit pretentious little excuse for me... 1047 00:59:04,375 --> 00:59:06,335 ...just being able to have snow in the set. 1048 00:59:06,544 --> 00:59:09,422 And we can't have snow anywhere near Indonesia. 1049 00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:13,259 But it's a pretentious bullshit answer that actually does kind of hold... 1050 00:59:13,467 --> 00:59:15,344 ...some form of logic to it too. 1051 00:59:15,553 --> 00:59:17,388 So I'm sticking with it... 1052 00:59:17,596 --> 00:59:21,434 ...for anyone that just cannot get over the fact that there's snow in Indonesia. 1053 00:59:21,642 --> 00:59:24,019 But for anyone that's okay with snow in Indonesia... 1054 00:59:24,228 --> 00:59:26,272 ...thank you for being cool about it. 1055 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,525 So I should probably talk about Yayan Ruhian... 1056 00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:31,277 ...who's playing Prakoso here. 1057 00:59:31,485 --> 00:59:34,905 Now, a lot of people recognize him as Mad Dog from the first movie... 1058 00:59:35,114 --> 00:59:38,659 ...and so we went through a lot of effort to make him feel a lot different... 1059 00:59:38,868 --> 00:59:43,914 ...from that previous movie. Obviously, we, alongside my makeup chief... 1060 00:59:44,123 --> 00:59:47,501 ...Kumalasari Tanara, designed a whole new look for him... 1061 00:59:47,710 --> 00:59:50,754 ...where we kind of, like, aged his skin and gave him a beard. 1062 00:59:50,963 --> 00:59:55,468 And then, you know, his hair, we grew it out and we kind of dyed it gray. 1063 00:59:55,676 --> 00:59:59,138 And, you know, just comple-- A large part of that transformation... 1064 00:59:59,346 --> 01:00:01,307 ...come from Yayan in terms of performance. 1065 01:00:01,515 --> 01:00:04,518 It's such a, like, 180 in comparison to what he did as Mad Dog. 1066 01:00:04,727 --> 01:00:09,064 Here it's like-- It's more sort of introverted. It's more sort of like that lonely guy... 1067 01:00:09,482 --> 01:00:12,568 ...as opposed to Mad Dog, who is kind of just this badass... 1068 01:00:12,777 --> 01:00:15,237 ...who had all these witty quips every now and then. 1069 01:00:15,446 --> 01:00:18,866 So, you know, now he's just-- It's just pure work ethic. 1070 01:00:19,074 --> 01:00:23,496 What I wanted to do with this was-- This is one of the first designs for the film... 1071 01:00:23,704 --> 01:00:27,625 ...back about three or four years ago, was this idea of let's do a fight scene... 1072 01:00:27,833 --> 01:00:29,752 ...where we have a hit man with a machete. 1073 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,046 But he won't use it on any of the bodyguards. 1074 01:00:32,254 --> 01:00:35,466 So he ends up having to fight against all these guys one-handed... 1075 01:00:35,674 --> 01:00:40,888 ...while he saves that machete for use only on the person that's the target. 1076 01:00:42,223 --> 01:00:45,601 And so, yeah, it was fun. We kind of went through everything. 1077 01:00:45,810 --> 01:00:48,395 We kind of, like, got together in the office... 1078 01:00:48,604 --> 01:00:51,315 ...and started to think of all these things we could do... 1079 01:00:51,524 --> 01:00:53,567 ...all these pieces of choreography design... 1080 01:00:53,859 --> 01:00:58,906 ...locks like that one and lock and the break of the wrist using the chin. 1081 01:00:59,114 --> 01:01:02,785 These fascinating little movements that we could put into the scene here... 1082 01:01:02,993 --> 01:01:07,998 ...and show something we haven't done, show an element we haven't explored. 1083 01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:18,634 Part of me doesn't like that shot. I like it in theory. 1084 01:01:18,843 --> 01:01:21,971 I like the idea of doing that bird's-eye view with the pan... 1085 01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:27,101 ...but we had to do it on-- Like, on a-- I think it was on a Jimmy Jib. 1086 01:01:27,309 --> 01:01:29,645 And so we had, like, sort of a motorized control. 1087 01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:32,439 And you can really feel that motorized element to it. 1088 01:01:32,648 --> 01:01:33,899 It doesn't stop clean. 1089 01:01:59,717 --> 01:02:01,552 This location.... 1090 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,306 Okay, so this is right next to the airport in Jakarta. 1091 01:02:05,514 --> 01:02:07,349 And I had seen this over and over again. 1092 01:02:07,558 --> 01:02:11,895 And similarly to-- As I was talking earlier about there were certain cast members... 1093 01:02:12,104 --> 01:02:15,774 ...that I kind of approached about this... 1094 01:02:15,983 --> 01:02:18,986 ...when it was in its previous incarnation about four years ago. 1095 01:02:19,194 --> 01:02:23,115 There are also some locations that I had seen, you know, about four years ago... 1096 01:02:23,324 --> 01:02:26,452 ...that I really wanted to use in the film that I kind of hung onto. 1097 01:02:26,660 --> 01:02:28,203 This is one of them. 1098 01:02:29,455 --> 01:02:32,750 And, literally, about-- Maybe about a month... 1099 01:02:32,958 --> 01:02:36,295 ...before we were about to shoot here, there was, like, extreme floods. 1100 01:02:36,629 --> 01:02:40,841 And so the government had dug up all of the grass on here... 1101 01:02:41,050 --> 01:02:43,927 ...and then dumped the mud in order to sort of, you know... 1102 01:02:44,136 --> 01:02:46,513 ...help stem the tide on the water as it was rising. 1103 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,767 And so that's why it's all so kind of like, you know, dead grass... 1104 01:02:49,975 --> 01:02:53,520 ...and dead leaves around the area, is because it was completely destroyed. 1105 01:02:53,729 --> 01:02:58,692 So it was this beautiful stretch of green that I had seen for four years... 1106 01:02:58,901 --> 01:03:02,988 ...and then, all of a sudden, this one time the waters rose... 1107 01:03:03,197 --> 01:03:06,533 ...that was the time about-- Just before we were about to shoot there... 1108 01:03:06,742 --> 01:03:09,787 ...that completely changed the look of the landscape for us. 1109 01:03:12,206 --> 01:03:14,083 He won't, sir. 1110 01:03:14,249 --> 01:03:17,169 The time I've known him, he speaks nothing but highly of you. 1111 01:03:18,712 --> 01:03:25,260 We have these little moments here where we kind of hint at back-story in Bangun. 1112 01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:27,805 He says about, you know: 1113 01:03:28,013 --> 01:03:30,933 "I don't want my son to, like, lose-- 1114 01:03:31,141 --> 01:03:34,019 I don't want my son to learn from the loss the same way I did." 1115 01:03:34,228 --> 01:03:37,272 And so it's kind of like showing this element of, like, regret. 1116 01:03:37,481 --> 01:03:40,818 And we've always kind of had Bangun wearing a wedding ring... 1117 01:03:41,026 --> 01:03:43,320 ...but we never see his wife. It was this idea... 1118 01:03:43,529 --> 01:03:48,200 ...that, like, part of his back-story would be that she was taken from him... 1119 01:03:48,409 --> 01:03:51,537 ...when he was the one that was supposed to be taken from the earth. 1120 01:03:51,745 --> 01:03:55,290 And so I wanted to kind of have these little-- 1121 01:03:55,499 --> 01:03:59,044 Subtle little sort of lines of dialogue that just hinted at a back-story... 1122 01:03:59,253 --> 01:04:01,296 ...that hinted at a sort of life of regret. 1123 01:04:02,673 --> 01:04:05,634 Because, you know, I just-- I wanted to have that-- 1124 01:04:05,843 --> 01:04:10,180 That weight over the-- His worry for his son. 1125 01:04:10,389 --> 01:04:13,142 And to kind of have this moment where, like, he's showing... 1126 01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:16,854 ...that he genuinely cares about him, genuinely wants his son to be okay. 1127 01:04:17,062 --> 01:04:22,276 But he can only do that in front of other people, never in front of Uco himself. 1128 01:04:24,153 --> 01:04:27,406 The main difference between you and I can be defined by one word. 1129 01:04:27,906 --> 01:04:29,408 Legacy. 1130 01:04:29,575 --> 01:04:30,951 So this location-- 1131 01:04:31,326 --> 01:04:34,163 Okay, so this location was an absolute nightmare to find... 1132 01:04:34,371 --> 01:04:37,666 ...but I'm so glad we found this one because the layout, structure... 1133 01:04:37,875 --> 01:04:40,377 ...the look of it, the lights, the sort of-- 1134 01:04:40,586 --> 01:04:44,214 The staggered ceiling, that was all there, that was all for real. 1135 01:04:44,423 --> 01:04:48,927 What wasn't there was that stage and the bar in the background. 1136 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,472 That we had to add ourselves. 1137 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,850 And actually, interestingly, the stairs leading up to the bar... 1138 01:04:55,058 --> 01:04:56,769 ...those are CGI stairs... 1139 01:04:56,977 --> 01:04:59,605 ...because we didn't have time to build the entire set... 1140 01:04:59,813 --> 01:05:03,776 ...and then, also, to have it like, you know, looking as polished as we wanted. 1141 01:05:03,984 --> 01:05:07,029 So we did a lot of little cleanups every now and then with CG... 1142 01:05:07,237 --> 01:05:11,867 ...in order to kind of make the overall feel of this a lot more high-class... 1143 01:05:12,075 --> 01:05:13,952 ...than it actually looked. 1144 01:05:15,704 --> 01:05:20,209 This hotel is actually in Bandung, a place called Hotel Horison. 1145 01:05:20,417 --> 01:05:23,796 We'd been discussing with a few other places about using their ballrooms. 1146 01:05:24,004 --> 01:05:30,385 And after a few months of trying, we were stuck. We had nothing left. 1147 01:05:30,594 --> 01:05:33,639 And then, suddenly, this place was presented to me... 1148 01:05:33,847 --> 01:05:36,892 ...during the middle of the shoot. So we would literally go off... 1149 01:05:37,101 --> 01:05:42,105 ...and then take a look at this other hotel after we'd wrapped on a shoot. 1150 01:05:42,314 --> 01:05:45,025 And so, yeah, it was immediately something that I saw... 1151 01:05:45,234 --> 01:05:48,946 ...and, you know, wanted to use and felt that it had, like, a good character... 1152 01:05:49,154 --> 01:05:51,740 ...in terms of being able to be converted into... 1153 01:05:51,949 --> 01:05:55,077 ...being something that would be Bejo's restaurant. 1154 01:05:57,663 --> 01:06:00,415 But no, that's not me. 1155 01:06:00,958 --> 01:06:02,835 Not today at least. 1156 01:06:03,877 --> 01:06:07,965 So this is what I was talking about earlier, that idea of every time Bejo is involved... 1157 01:06:08,173 --> 01:06:10,509 ...we start dropping the temperature in the film. 1158 01:06:10,968 --> 01:06:14,721 And so, you know, the guys who are sort of inside that freezer... 1159 01:06:14,930 --> 01:06:19,268 ...like, they're being brought now to be the sacrifice for Uco. 1160 01:06:19,476 --> 01:06:21,603 Because they obviously were instrumental... 1161 01:06:21,812 --> 01:06:25,774 ...in the attack on his life when he was in prison. 1162 01:06:27,067 --> 01:06:30,445 And, yeah, assuming you guys have seen this now already... 1163 01:06:30,654 --> 01:06:32,406 ...and have to-- But like-- 1164 01:06:32,614 --> 01:06:37,119 These guys are part of Bejo's clan. And that was always the intention... 1165 01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:41,707 ...is to kind of have this moment whereby we show sort of their similar tattoos. 1166 01:06:41,915 --> 01:06:44,168 They all have the same tattoo on their wrists. 1167 01:06:44,376 --> 01:06:50,173 And, basically, when we reveal that Bejo shares that tattoo... 1168 01:06:50,382 --> 01:06:54,511 ...it makes it all the more creepier for me then, that idea that these guys were-- 1169 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,890 Like because there's this tribal element in play... 1170 01:06:58,098 --> 01:07:03,770 ...when it comes to this gang, where they will literally give their lives... 1171 01:07:03,979 --> 01:07:07,149 ...in order for their boss to establish himself, for him to become-- 1172 01:07:07,357 --> 01:07:11,528 Like, a rise in power in terms of their organization. 1173 01:07:11,737 --> 01:07:14,656 And so that's something we play on later on... 1174 01:07:14,865 --> 01:07:18,702 ...when there's like this shared look between Bejo and Zack... 1175 01:07:18,911 --> 01:07:21,622 ...where he literally gives himself in to Uco... 1176 01:07:21,830 --> 01:07:23,665 ...who's about to cut his throat. 1177 01:07:23,874 --> 01:07:26,501 So, yeah, that was like a big sort of important factor... 1178 01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:29,588 ...of the relationship between them. 1179 01:07:30,756 --> 01:07:33,008 I give you the opportunity... 1180 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,970 ...to claim revenge. 1181 01:07:49,983 --> 01:07:52,527 One of the things I wanted to do with this scene-- 1182 01:07:52,736 --> 01:07:53,779 Because I'm not-- 1183 01:07:53,987 --> 01:07:57,908 Okay, so contrary to popular belief... 1184 01:07:58,116 --> 01:08:04,581 ...I'm not really a huge fan of, like, extreme, extreme violence in a movie. 1185 01:08:04,790 --> 01:08:07,417 Granted we have a number of big punch line moments... 1186 01:08:07,626 --> 01:08:10,796 ...but I've always had this thing whereby the way my dad raised me... 1187 01:08:11,004 --> 01:08:14,633 ...the movies my dad showed me and the movies that my dad responded to... 1188 01:08:14,841 --> 01:08:18,595 ...it was a thing of you can have visceral moments of violence in your film... 1189 01:08:18,804 --> 01:08:22,474 ...you can have elements in there which are kind of harsh and aggressive... 1190 01:08:22,683 --> 01:08:24,393 ...but never let it be something... 1191 01:08:24,601 --> 01:08:27,604 ...where you focus on the pain, where you focus on the torture. 1192 01:08:27,813 --> 01:08:30,691 So, like, I kind of went out of my way in order to kind of-- 1193 01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:34,861 When it came to writing this scene, to try to kind of soften the blow a little bit... 1194 01:08:35,070 --> 01:08:38,824 ...on, you know, all of his concerns and was to kind of be able to say to him: 1195 01:08:39,032 --> 01:08:41,535 "Look, trust me. I know how I'm gonna shoot this. 1196 01:08:41,743 --> 01:08:44,246 I'm gonna shoot this where you're not gonna feel it... 1197 01:08:44,454 --> 01:08:46,748 ...as much as you usually would." 1198 01:08:46,957 --> 01:08:50,961 But it's very difficult to kind of, you know, do a scene like this... 1199 01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:53,797 ...where, you know, in the-- For a large part of it... 1200 01:08:54,006 --> 01:08:58,093 ...it's all about this sort of like incredibly violent act... 1201 01:08:58,301 --> 01:09:01,805 ...but being ignored by the two of them. They continue to talk business. 1202 01:09:02,014 --> 01:09:04,474 They don't-- They don't sort of skip a beat even. 1203 01:09:04,683 --> 01:09:08,437 And so, yeah, it was-- There were a few moments-- 1204 01:09:08,645 --> 01:09:10,564 There's two moments coming up later on... 1205 01:09:10,772 --> 01:09:14,026 ...where he sort of, like, stops halfway through on a guy's throat. 1206 01:09:14,234 --> 01:09:17,446 And my approach is always like, "These are moments in that scene... 1207 01:09:17,654 --> 01:09:21,533 ...which could tip it over the edge into that thing of the suffering and the pain. 1208 01:09:22,117 --> 01:09:24,619 But as long as I keep my camera wide enough... 1209 01:09:24,828 --> 01:09:27,122 ...as long as I stay far away from him... 1210 01:09:27,331 --> 01:09:33,336 ...then, you know, it won't be seen as exploitative as it would otherwise." 1211 01:09:33,754 --> 01:09:38,508 And it's kind of important for me because, like, I totally respect, like, my dad. 1212 01:09:38,717 --> 01:09:43,388 He's been a huge sort of guiding force in terms of, like, everything I've done. 1213 01:09:43,764 --> 01:09:46,558 There's a message for him at the end, and it's true. 1214 01:09:46,767 --> 01:09:50,145 I mean, he's read every single draft of every script I've ever written... 1215 01:09:50,353 --> 01:09:53,356 ...and he's also watched every cut of every film I've made... 1216 01:09:53,565 --> 01:09:57,402 ...and has given me notes and has kind of, like, you know, skirted that line... 1217 01:09:57,611 --> 01:10:00,906 ...of being the supportive dad, but also being the critic of it... 1218 01:10:01,114 --> 01:10:03,742 ...when something feels wrong, something feels too much. 1219 01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:06,411 And you know what? For me it's been a thing of this: 1220 01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:09,206 If he doesn't feel offended by something, then I'm okay. 1221 01:10:09,414 --> 01:10:14,044 And, you know, he was fine with this. Like, he felt like the cutaway points... 1222 01:10:14,252 --> 01:10:19,132 ...were at the right point, the right time. And it could have so easily have been... 1223 01:10:19,341 --> 01:10:24,096 ...you know, a different focus and a more dangerous approach to the scene. 1224 01:10:24,262 --> 01:10:25,430 Everyone has their limit. 1225 01:10:25,597 --> 01:10:29,017 One of the things I wanted to do is establish this thing in this scene. 1226 01:10:29,226 --> 01:10:31,395 It's important, says a lot about this character. 1227 01:10:31,603 --> 01:10:37,984 It's that idea of, with all the other guys that he kills, he does it indiscriminately. 1228 01:10:38,193 --> 01:10:40,612 He does it casually and continues to talk business... 1229 01:10:40,821 --> 01:10:42,406 ...throughout the entire process. 1230 01:10:42,614 --> 01:10:45,909 When it comes to Benny, Benny is kind of like the representation of it... 1231 01:10:46,118 --> 01:10:47,953 ...being like the prize. 1232 01:10:48,161 --> 01:10:51,623 He's like-- He's the one that he really wants to enjoy himself with. 1233 01:10:51,832 --> 01:10:55,168 And, you know, this idea of grabbing him and then shushing him... 1234 01:10:55,377 --> 01:10:58,839 ...and getting him to calm down, it's just all about that emasculation. 1235 01:10:59,047 --> 01:11:02,175 It's all about the idea of making him feel small and pathetic... 1236 01:11:02,384 --> 01:11:05,929 ...and realizing that, you know, it doesn't matter how hard he tries... 1237 01:11:06,388 --> 01:11:08,181 ...there's only one outcome from this. 1238 01:11:08,849 --> 01:11:13,186 So there's your little signifier that we use later on in the film... 1239 01:11:13,395 --> 01:11:16,606 ...about the tattoo and the idea of it linking them together. 1240 01:11:16,815 --> 01:11:20,610 And that's that look I talked about earlier as well, that resignation of defeat. 1241 01:11:20,986 --> 01:11:23,989 And this is, you know, the ultimate sacrifice for his boss. 1242 01:11:24,197 --> 01:11:26,491 Because, technically, that's what's happening now. 1243 01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:29,202 We're seeing it for the first time in the movie... 1244 01:11:29,411 --> 01:11:31,538 ...through a different pair of eyes. 1245 01:11:31,746 --> 01:11:34,332 But, yeah, all those things are inside that performance. 1246 01:11:34,541 --> 01:11:38,587 And we had to kind of, like, find a way to hint at those without being too obvious. 1247 01:11:38,795 --> 01:11:43,341 So Bejo's reaction, the look that Bejo gave him back... 1248 01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:46,928 ...we had to be so careful with that not to hint at anything too much. 1249 01:11:47,137 --> 01:11:52,017 But there's a little feeling there and it's enough to keep us going. 1250 01:11:53,852 --> 01:11:59,774 Now, you know, we're in a point now where I wanted to kind of come back... 1251 01:11:59,983 --> 01:12:05,405 ...to that idea of reinforcing Rama's goal with his-- In his mission. 1252 01:12:05,614 --> 01:12:06,948 Because, you know, he's-- 1253 01:12:07,157 --> 01:12:10,243 At the moment we've got this position where he doesn't know... 1254 01:12:10,452 --> 01:12:14,456 ...that Uco is meeting with Bejo at all. All he's hearing is voices. 1255 01:12:14,664 --> 01:12:18,001 He doesn't know who owns this place and who he's talking to... 1256 01:12:18,210 --> 01:12:19,753 ...because it's all just audible. 1257 01:12:19,961 --> 01:12:23,715 And so, you know, this is a moment where we got to show a little bit... 1258 01:12:23,924 --> 01:12:29,304 ...of a proactive side of Rama where he's actually investigating properly. 1259 01:12:29,512 --> 01:12:32,891 And, you know, he's playing, you know, good cop here. 1260 01:12:33,099 --> 01:12:37,479 But then the idea is just how easily he gets swayed emotionally... 1261 01:12:37,687 --> 01:12:42,150 ...when he realizes that, stood like literally like a hundred yards away from him... 1262 01:12:42,359 --> 01:12:47,405 ...is the person that killed his brother, is the person that destroyed his family... 1263 01:12:47,614 --> 01:12:51,785 ...and, you know, is the person that he ultimately wants to get revenge against... 1264 01:12:51,993 --> 01:12:53,828 ...and that he wants to take out. 1265 01:12:54,037 --> 01:12:57,332 And so it kind of-- It was an interesting opportunity to play around... 1266 01:12:57,541 --> 01:13:01,336 ...with some of those, you know, motivational issues with the character... 1267 01:13:01,544 --> 01:13:05,799 ...and to try to-- The goal was always to kind of put these things in front of him... 1268 01:13:06,007 --> 01:13:09,135 ...which could be stumbling blocks from him staying professional... 1269 01:13:09,344 --> 01:13:11,221 ...and sticking to his investigation. 1270 01:13:11,429 --> 01:13:13,765 And the fact that here by the end of the scene... 1271 01:13:13,974 --> 01:13:16,851 ...that he doesn't pursue it, that he doesn't go towards him... 1272 01:13:17,060 --> 01:13:19,688 ...like, it says enough then about him... 1273 01:13:19,896 --> 01:13:24,609 ...that he has managed to maintain some kind of, you know, professional integrity... 1274 01:13:24,818 --> 01:13:27,070 ...no matter how much it hurts him. 1275 01:13:33,159 --> 01:13:38,790 Okay, so a lot of people will question just how the-- 1276 01:13:38,999 --> 01:13:44,254 How--? I mean, how the hell did Prakoso manage to land this woman as his wife? 1277 01:13:44,462 --> 01:13:48,133 She's a hell of a lot younger than him, a hell of a lot better-looking than him. 1278 01:13:48,341 --> 01:13:50,176 He's certainly punching above his weight. 1279 01:13:50,385 --> 01:13:53,263 But-- Likewise, with most of the other characters... 1280 01:13:53,471 --> 01:13:57,142 ...I always had this image in my head, these ideas of back-story for these guys. 1281 01:13:57,517 --> 01:14:01,062 Like, I didn't wanna go too far into their back-story within the film. 1282 01:14:01,271 --> 01:14:03,481 But it was always there in the back of my mind. 1283 01:14:03,648 --> 01:14:05,233 And I'd always tell the actors... 1284 01:14:05,442 --> 01:14:08,862 ...about what their life story was in terms of these characters. 1285 01:14:09,237 --> 01:14:12,782 And for me, Prakoso, like, I always saw him as this guy who-- 1286 01:14:12,991 --> 01:14:16,286 Right now, he's in his sort of, like, you know, late 50s, early 60s. 1287 01:14:16,494 --> 01:14:20,332 But, you know, back in the day when he was in his, like, late 30s, early 40s... 1288 01:14:20,540 --> 01:14:23,501 ...like, he was this, like, you know, suave, well-dressed guy... 1289 01:14:23,710 --> 01:14:27,672 ...you know, cropped hair, you know, clean-cut, nice, crisp suits. 1290 01:14:27,881 --> 01:14:30,884 And, you know, he impressed this young girl... 1291 01:14:31,092 --> 01:14:34,471 ...who was like 16, 17 at the time, was out in the club... 1292 01:14:34,679 --> 01:14:39,142 ...and then she became his girlfriend, and he took her out, romanced her. 1293 01:14:39,351 --> 01:14:41,353 They got married when she was way too young. 1294 01:14:41,561 --> 01:14:44,064 She's like 20 some-- Twenty-year-old bride to him. 1295 01:14:44,481 --> 01:14:47,609 And then they had this kid together and then, boom. 1296 01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:52,238 All of a sudden, one night out, they get attacked when they're in the car. 1297 01:14:52,447 --> 01:14:55,033 And then he flies into a rage and becomes the killer... 1298 01:14:55,241 --> 01:14:57,243 ...that he's been hiding from her all along. 1299 01:14:57,452 --> 01:15:00,622 And so while she is there in the car trying to shield their-- 1300 01:15:00,830 --> 01:15:04,793 Like, their little son's eyes away from seeing the father turn into a monster... 1301 01:15:05,001 --> 01:15:06,503 ...outside he is that monster... 1302 01:15:06,711 --> 01:15:09,214 ...and he's just doing that instinctive thing... 1303 01:15:09,422 --> 01:15:13,009 ...that has been his payment throughout his entire life. 1304 01:15:13,218 --> 01:15:17,097 And so, yeah, I had this whole back-story that I was gonna plan to do. 1305 01:15:17,305 --> 01:15:20,433 And we might actually do it in the end in a comic-book format... 1306 01:15:20,642 --> 01:15:23,019 ...but it was-- It's-- It was-- 1307 01:15:23,228 --> 01:15:26,272 It was a way to kind of alleviate some of those question marks... 1308 01:15:26,481 --> 01:15:30,110 ...over, you know, just what is this couple? 1309 01:15:30,318 --> 01:15:33,279 This is a little bit of a piss-take. This is a little too far. 1310 01:15:33,488 --> 01:15:36,741 Like, we were pushing to kind of make, like, Prakoso's character... 1311 01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:39,869 ...seem totally pathetic and sort of sympathetic and sad. 1312 01:15:40,078 --> 01:15:43,123 But the fact that he still has a fucking '80s pager... 1313 01:15:43,331 --> 01:15:46,543 ...was a little step too far for my Art Department for that one. 1314 01:15:46,751 --> 01:15:49,587 But I know it was a personal request. 1315 01:15:49,796 --> 01:15:52,507 Like, he could really afford to have a phone by now. 1316 01:15:52,716 --> 01:15:56,594 So the pager is kind of pushing it a little bit too much. 1317 01:15:56,803 --> 01:16:00,807 That's Ami. He's one of the camera assistants. 1318 01:16:01,015 --> 01:16:04,394 He got to do his little cameo there on the decks. 1319 01:16:04,644 --> 01:16:06,479 This was out in Bandung. 1320 01:16:06,688 --> 01:16:08,773 We used a couple of locations in Bandung. 1321 01:16:08,982 --> 01:16:12,694 And I really like it out there. It's about a two-hour drive from Jakarta. 1322 01:16:12,902 --> 01:16:16,322 And this club was great because we had an idea of what we wanted... 1323 01:16:16,531 --> 01:16:19,784 ...for the night-club scene, but it didn't look anything like this. 1324 01:16:19,993 --> 01:16:21,995 And then we suddenly get to this building... 1325 01:16:22,203 --> 01:16:24,748 ...and we get to see this big dance floor. 1326 01:16:24,956 --> 01:16:27,542 And then also more impressive... 1327 01:16:27,751 --> 01:16:31,296 ...these sort of tiered seating areas that kept going up and up and up. 1328 01:16:31,504 --> 01:16:33,673 And I knew we could do something really cool... 1329 01:16:33,882 --> 01:16:36,759 ...with a nice, big, long sort of like, you know, crane shot... 1330 01:16:36,968 --> 01:16:38,470 ...that would go into the drama. 1331 01:16:38,678 --> 01:16:42,724 And so, yeah, I mean, this location sold itself to us immediately. 1332 01:16:42,932 --> 01:16:46,060 We were, "This is gonna help not just with our establishing shot... 1333 01:16:46,269 --> 01:16:50,356 ...but we get to do something interesting as we kind come into this conversation." 1334 01:16:50,857 --> 01:16:53,985 But also later on when we get into the fight sequence... 1335 01:16:54,194 --> 01:16:56,988 ...that we would have something interesting to use... 1336 01:16:57,197 --> 01:17:01,743 ...to kind of play around with the movement and the rhythm of the fight. 1337 01:17:01,951 --> 01:17:04,537 Because initially we designed it purely... 1338 01:17:04,746 --> 01:17:07,749 ...with, like, a sort of a flat sort of, you know, surface. 1339 01:17:07,957 --> 01:17:10,210 Like a couple of crash mats we use in the office. 1340 01:17:10,418 --> 01:17:12,587 We didn't have a sense of perspective or space. 1341 01:17:12,796 --> 01:17:14,923 But once you kind of have these elements... 1342 01:17:15,131 --> 01:17:18,092 ...these locations with those sort of tiered floors... 1343 01:17:18,301 --> 01:17:20,136 ...and tiered sort of private booths... 1344 01:17:20,345 --> 01:17:22,680 ...then, you know, we have this opportunity then... 1345 01:17:22,889 --> 01:17:26,100 ...to kind of really explore the set a lot more... 1346 01:17:26,309 --> 01:17:30,730 ...and have him jump and climb and run and, you know, leap back down... 1347 01:17:30,939 --> 01:17:32,065 ...avoid all these guys. 1348 01:17:32,774 --> 01:17:35,902 And, yeah, it just kind of-- It gave so much to the scene. 1349 01:17:36,110 --> 01:17:39,155 So, yeah, very happy that we kind of got this location in the end. 1350 01:17:40,323 --> 01:17:42,158 One of the things I wanted to do here... 1351 01:17:42,367 --> 01:17:45,703 ...is to establish this sense of the relationship between them... 1352 01:17:45,912 --> 01:17:50,291 ...and to kind of have this almost like an uncle and nephew approach... 1353 01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:53,628 ...to how Prakoso and Uco are. 1354 01:17:53,836 --> 01:17:56,339 That it'd have been established way before he became... 1355 01:17:56,548 --> 01:17:58,550 ...this, like, vagabond assassin type. 1356 01:17:58,758 --> 01:18:01,177 And so there's no difference in their relationship... 1357 01:18:01,386 --> 01:18:03,221 ...in the way they talk to each other... 1358 01:18:03,429 --> 01:18:06,516 ...regardless of how much Prakoso's character has fallen. 1359 01:18:06,724 --> 01:18:08,893 I wanted to kind of have that sense of, like... 1360 01:18:09,102 --> 01:18:11,938 ...that he was somebody who Uco could trust as a child... 1361 01:18:12,146 --> 01:18:15,692 ...who he could talk to. There's that idea-- Uco couldn't talk to his father. 1362 01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:18,570 Every time he tried to say something or be close to him... 1363 01:18:18,778 --> 01:18:21,406 ...his father would back away and not show love... 1364 01:18:21,614 --> 01:18:23,741 ...not show any kind of, you know, opening... 1365 01:18:23,950 --> 01:18:26,244 ...for him to be able to discuss anything. 1366 01:18:26,452 --> 01:18:29,664 And so that complex within him and his father... 1367 01:18:29,872 --> 01:18:33,585 ...has kind of created a stronger bond between him and Prakoso, his uncle. 1368 01:18:34,252 --> 01:18:37,046 Or as we see now, and as we're gonna feel and people-- 1369 01:18:37,255 --> 01:18:39,674 Audience will hopefully have felt from the get-go... 1370 01:18:39,883 --> 01:18:42,176 ...there's a certain Judas element at play here. 1371 01:18:42,385 --> 01:18:46,764 And we know that-- You know, that this is Uco's ambition... 1372 01:18:46,973 --> 01:18:50,476 ...letting him, you know-- Uco's ambition establishing... 1373 01:18:50,685 --> 01:18:52,770 ...that, like, no one is gonna get in his way. 1374 01:18:52,979 --> 01:18:55,732 Nobody's going to kind of be important enough to stop him... 1375 01:18:55,940 --> 01:18:57,233 ...from achieving his goals. 1376 01:18:57,442 --> 01:19:00,320 And that's taken to the absolute extreme later on in the movie. 1377 01:19:02,655 --> 01:19:05,992 Notice the cameo there of the white guy in the gray shirt... 1378 01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,036 ...the Indonesian guy in the red shirt. 1379 01:19:08,244 --> 01:19:13,416 That is actually Matt Flannery, the DOP, and Mascot, our lighting gaffer. 1380 01:19:15,543 --> 01:19:17,545 You've never seen two people more excited... 1381 01:19:17,754 --> 01:19:20,923 ...to share screen time together than those two. 1382 01:19:22,133 --> 01:19:24,886 Okay, so this was, like, a surreal moment in the film here. 1383 01:19:25,094 --> 01:19:28,806 We have this sequence here when he's looking at the photograph of his son... 1384 01:19:29,140 --> 01:19:31,643 ...and, you know, he's in this nightclub and then-- 1385 01:19:31,851 --> 01:19:34,896 It's packed to the rafters early. We had, like, people everywhere. 1386 01:19:35,104 --> 01:19:38,441 And I wanted to do this, like, extremely surreal sort of sound design... 1387 01:19:38,650 --> 01:19:40,026 ...and then visual thing... 1388 01:19:40,234 --> 01:19:43,196 ...whereby on the cut, we suddenly-- It's completely dead. 1389 01:19:43,404 --> 01:19:46,324 It's completely empty and everyone is gone. 1390 01:19:46,532 --> 01:19:50,286 And for me, like, it was always touch and go... 1391 01:19:50,495 --> 01:19:52,747 ...and it was gonna live or die by the sound mix. 1392 01:19:52,955 --> 01:19:55,041 I feel like we kind of fixed that in the end. 1393 01:19:55,249 --> 01:19:57,919 We really got it to kind of work and then feel, like.... 1394 01:19:58,127 --> 01:20:02,548 You know, it took some of that sort of, you know, abstract surrealism... 1395 01:20:02,757 --> 01:20:05,385 ...about the setup and diluted it... 1396 01:20:05,593 --> 01:20:09,555 ...in a way where we could feel like, okay, it works now. 1397 01:20:09,764 --> 01:20:12,934 But, like, yeah, before we got to that point in the post-pro... 1398 01:20:13,142 --> 01:20:15,228 ...there was a lot of people with questions... 1399 01:20:15,436 --> 01:20:17,939 ...about how that was exactly going to work. 1400 01:20:28,992 --> 01:20:32,453 I gotta say, I just love watching Yayan fighting people. 1401 01:20:32,662 --> 01:20:34,956 He always kind of, like, manages to fill this... 1402 01:20:35,164 --> 01:20:39,669 ...especially this scene. Fills it with so much kind of like desperation and-- 1403 01:20:39,877 --> 01:20:43,631 Sort of like every movement feels like it's the last possible minute... 1404 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,926 ...before you can attack, before somebody else is gonna get to him. 1405 01:20:47,135 --> 01:20:51,723 And he really does sell the sort of like escalation of the fight here. 1406 01:20:53,307 --> 01:20:54,934 This is an example of, like where-- 1407 01:20:55,143 --> 01:20:57,603 When he runs across that balcony, none of that was in the choreography. 1408 01:20:57,812 --> 01:20:59,439 None was designed or predetermined. 1409 01:20:59,647 --> 01:21:02,150 It was just something that once we got the location... 1410 01:21:02,358 --> 01:21:04,902 ...that we just wanted to do, we just wanted to add. 1411 01:21:05,111 --> 01:21:09,991 So we have our Ip Man homage here, like.... 1412 01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:12,535 I think everyone loved this moment from Ip Man. 1413 01:21:12,744 --> 01:21:15,830 And we thought, fuck it, let's just pay our respects to them... 1414 01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:17,999 ...and just put something in there from it. 1415 01:21:18,207 --> 01:21:21,544 You know, just to kind of like-- I don't know, it's because we'd never-- 1416 01:21:21,753 --> 01:21:24,380 We-- Like, as Indonesian martial arts filmmakers... 1417 01:21:24,589 --> 01:21:27,759 ...we never get to really talk to or hang out with anyone that-- 1418 01:21:27,967 --> 01:21:30,261 Any of our peers who are from different countries. 1419 01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:32,430 And it's kind of like sometimes-- 1420 01:21:32,638 --> 01:21:35,016 You put these little messages in your films to say: 1421 01:21:35,224 --> 01:21:38,186 "Yeah, we're watching. We're really impressed with what you do." 1422 01:21:38,561 --> 01:21:41,773 And that was just an opportunity to do that with them. 1423 01:21:45,818 --> 01:21:47,653 So the snow. 1424 01:21:49,906 --> 01:21:53,659 I've already explained it with my pretentious bullshit reasons why. 1425 01:21:53,868 --> 01:21:56,704 So, yeah, it's just-- Enjoy the beauty of it... 1426 01:21:56,913 --> 01:22:00,708 ...because it just looks so good with all the action going on. 1427 01:22:00,917 --> 01:22:03,795 And the blood contrasts so strongly with the white of the snow. 1428 01:22:04,670 --> 01:22:06,881 It just looks so great like-- 1429 01:22:07,090 --> 01:22:09,425 We had to combine a lot of different things... 1430 01:22:09,634 --> 01:22:13,971 ...because we didn't have, you know, snow falling in the shot. 1431 01:22:14,180 --> 01:22:18,434 All of this are all sort of CG snow then from Andi, my online guy. 1432 01:22:18,643 --> 01:22:22,188 This guy who's about to have his head smashed, I gotta give credit to him... 1433 01:22:22,396 --> 01:22:26,859 ...because he is one of the most fearless Stuntmen we've ever worked with... 1434 01:22:27,068 --> 01:22:28,528 ...and has done so much for us. 1435 01:22:28,736 --> 01:22:31,948 That's Yandi, and he was in the first Raid. 1436 01:22:32,156 --> 01:22:34,242 He was the guy that reached under the table... 1437 01:22:34,450 --> 01:22:36,202 ...to pull the machete out. 1438 01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:39,330 And in this film, he stunt-doubled for Epy... 1439 01:22:39,539 --> 01:22:42,375 ...he stunt-doubled for the Assassin, Cecep... 1440 01:22:42,583 --> 01:22:44,418 ...he stunt-doubled for so many people. 1441 01:22:44,627 --> 01:22:47,296 He stunt-doubled for Yayan when he jumped off the balcony. 1442 01:22:47,505 --> 01:22:51,467 And he's been one of those guys that will just do anything for you. 1443 01:22:51,676 --> 01:22:54,762 And so he wanted a small moment in the film. 1444 01:22:54,971 --> 01:22:56,639 And so I thought, "We'll kill you... 1445 01:22:56,848 --> 01:23:00,226 ...but it's gonna be the most nasty, violent way that we could kill you." 1446 01:23:00,393 --> 01:23:03,354 And so he's always been a sport and always been somebody... 1447 01:23:03,563 --> 01:23:06,399 ...who's like, you know, very close to us and Merantau Films. 1448 01:23:06,607 --> 01:23:09,318 And, yeah, we're looking forward to working with him again. 1449 01:23:09,527 --> 01:23:13,281 Yeah, in the next couple of months actually for Night Comes For Us. 1450 01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:18,703 So the use of Handel, "Sarabande," the song... 1451 01:23:18,911 --> 01:23:21,163 ...I spent a long time searching for songs. 1452 01:23:21,372 --> 01:23:23,457 To be honest, I've always been a Kubrick fan. 1453 01:23:23,666 --> 01:23:26,294 Massive fan of Kubrick. I've seen everything he's done... 1454 01:23:26,502 --> 01:23:27,753 ...except for Barry Lyndon. 1455 01:23:27,962 --> 01:23:30,214 And so, like, I stumbled upon this track... 1456 01:23:30,423 --> 01:23:33,759 ...when I was searching for classical pieces and operatic music. 1457 01:23:33,968 --> 01:23:37,555 I figured if we're gonna go to this extreme of having this snow fall... 1458 01:23:37,763 --> 01:23:40,683 ...and we're gonna go to this extreme of having the betrayal... 1459 01:23:40,892 --> 01:23:44,770 ...that sort of Judas betrayal between, you know, Uco and Prakoso... 1460 01:23:44,979 --> 01:23:48,149 ...and then the introduction of the Assassin, I wanted it to be big. 1461 01:23:48,357 --> 01:23:52,945 I wanted it to feel like there was this huge sort of like emotional element to it. 1462 01:23:53,154 --> 01:23:55,156 And so, like-- You know, it just made sense. 1463 01:23:55,364 --> 01:23:59,410 It just felt like, okay, this song came along and I played it a bunch of times. 1464 01:23:59,619 --> 01:24:01,162 I cut it into Final Cut Pro... 1465 01:24:01,370 --> 01:24:05,416 ...and the timing of it just fit. It just fit so well. 1466 01:24:05,625 --> 01:24:07,752 And so it was a no-brainer for me. 1467 01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,755 So we had Aria Prayogi and Andreas Arianto... 1468 01:24:11,505 --> 01:24:16,510 ...do a rearrangement based off a version that I had kind of found on a CD. 1469 01:24:17,386 --> 01:24:20,556 And then they went ahead and then did a rearrangement of the piece... 1470 01:24:20,765 --> 01:24:24,060 ...and then recorded it and-- Like, to be honest, you know... 1471 01:24:24,268 --> 01:24:29,899 ...as much as I love the whole, you know, scoring sessions with the music... 1472 01:24:30,107 --> 01:24:33,319 ...and with the electronic stuff and how great that fits... 1473 01:24:33,527 --> 01:24:36,572 ...the adrenaline-packed action sequences... 1474 01:24:36,781 --> 01:24:40,451 ...sitting there, watching them record this music was just beautiful. 1475 01:24:40,660 --> 01:24:43,496 It was like-- It was something I had never experienced before. 1476 01:24:43,704 --> 01:24:46,415 It's definitely something that I'm looking forward... 1477 01:24:46,624 --> 01:24:48,960 ...to kind of maybe trying out in a larger scale... 1478 01:24:49,168 --> 01:24:51,587 ...on one of my next projects and-- It was just.... 1479 01:24:51,796 --> 01:24:54,131 It was so much fun to kind of just sit down... 1480 01:24:54,340 --> 01:24:56,425 ...listen to these super talented musicians... 1481 01:24:56,634 --> 01:24:59,261 ...come in and record layer after layer after layer... 1482 01:24:59,470 --> 01:25:01,430 ...of just classical music. 1483 01:25:01,639 --> 01:25:05,685 It was just-- Yeah, it was a joy to be there that day. 1484 01:25:06,769 --> 01:25:08,646 Prakoso's line of work made him enemies. 1485 01:25:08,813 --> 01:25:11,774 Not just the Gotos. Hell, even the Chinese wanted his head. 1486 01:25:12,274 --> 01:25:14,694 This wasn't the first time he'd been under attack. 1487 01:25:15,569 --> 01:25:17,071 Sadly it was the last. 1488 01:25:19,657 --> 01:25:22,076 -Where the fuck have you been? -What happened? 1489 01:25:22,243 --> 01:25:25,496 So this is one thing that kind of occasionally.... 1490 01:25:26,497 --> 01:25:29,959 It crops up as a criticism, and I do get it... 1491 01:25:30,167 --> 01:25:35,339 ...but it's like, people talk about how Rama's investigation... 1492 01:25:35,548 --> 01:25:36,590 ...gets pushed back... 1493 01:25:36,799 --> 01:25:39,885 ...and it gets pushed into the distance in terms of the story line. 1494 01:25:40,094 --> 01:25:43,806 And then it becomes more about, like, Uco and his ambitions. 1495 01:25:44,015 --> 01:25:47,059 But, like, for me, like, that was always the intention. 1496 01:25:47,268 --> 01:25:48,686 I didn't wanna go into this... 1497 01:25:49,145 --> 01:25:52,898 ...making the traditional undercover cop investigation story. 1498 01:25:53,107 --> 01:25:56,777 Like, you know-- I kind of-- We kind of plant these seeds in it throughout... 1499 01:25:56,986 --> 01:26:00,406 ...where we have little moments where Bunawar will say directly to Rama... 1500 01:26:00,614 --> 01:26:04,243 ...you know, like, "You're not the spider. You're just part of the web." 1501 01:26:04,452 --> 01:26:08,164 Like, you know-- Like in the traditional sort of like, you know... 1502 01:26:08,372 --> 01:26:11,042 ...Hollywood version of an undercover cop story... 1503 01:26:11,250 --> 01:26:14,795 ...he'd be the guy that finds that one key piece of evidence... 1504 01:26:15,004 --> 01:26:17,715 ...that puts away all these bad guys and solves the case... 1505 01:26:17,923 --> 01:26:20,176 ...everything's done, wrapped up in a little bow. 1506 01:26:20,384 --> 01:26:21,469 But for me, like... 1507 01:26:21,677 --> 01:26:25,723 ...I wanted to have this ultimate version where we confound those expectations... 1508 01:26:25,931 --> 01:26:27,767 ...do something different, something new. 1509 01:26:27,975 --> 01:26:30,144 So it was more important and more interesting... 1510 01:26:30,353 --> 01:26:34,774 ...to be able to have this thing of, like, he starts off with his investigation... 1511 01:26:34,982 --> 01:26:36,692 ...we see him do his investigation... 1512 01:26:36,901 --> 01:26:39,528 ...we see him planting the wire in Uco's wallet... 1513 01:26:39,737 --> 01:26:42,740 ...we see him monitoring what he's doing, his daily activities... 1514 01:26:42,948 --> 01:26:45,701 ...we see him establishing a good rapport with the father... 1515 01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:50,664 ...and trying to kind of work his way up the power chain... 1516 01:26:50,873 --> 01:26:54,919 ...the chain of command, so he can listen to more of those conversations... 1517 01:26:55,127 --> 01:26:57,088 ...and find out where that money's going. 1518 01:26:57,296 --> 01:26:59,924 But then all of a sudden, a gang war kicks off. 1519 01:27:00,132 --> 01:27:02,927 And then all of a sudden, like, the ambitions of the son... 1520 01:27:03,135 --> 01:27:05,262 ...overwhelm his investigation... 1521 01:27:05,471 --> 01:27:08,307 ...it overwhelms his role and what he's supposed to be doing. 1522 01:27:08,516 --> 01:27:12,269 And as a result of that, for sure, his story is gonna fall by the wayside... 1523 01:27:12,478 --> 01:27:14,772 ...because now we have a stronger driving force... 1524 01:27:14,980 --> 01:27:16,816 ...that's pushing us towards that chaos. 1525 01:27:17,024 --> 01:27:19,610 The whole film is about, you know, characters... 1526 01:27:19,819 --> 01:27:21,362 ...that don't get what they want. 1527 01:27:21,570 --> 01:27:24,532 They don't get to have the satisfaction of being able... 1528 01:27:24,740 --> 01:27:26,909 ...to achieve what their goals are. 1529 01:27:27,118 --> 01:27:31,705 Rama, you know, beyond protecting his own family, he wants revenge. 1530 01:27:31,914 --> 01:27:34,166 He wants to kill the guy that killed his brother. 1531 01:27:34,375 --> 01:27:35,751 That gets taken away from him. 1532 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,255 He doesn't get to pull the trigger on that. Somebody else does. 1533 01:27:39,463 --> 01:27:41,465 Like, Uco wants to be king. 1534 01:27:41,674 --> 01:27:43,843 But in order to be king, he has to do this... 1535 01:27:44,051 --> 01:27:47,680 ...you know, inexplicable extreme act later on in the movie. 1536 01:27:47,888 --> 01:27:52,601 It's temporary. It lasts a few hours, and it's not the dream he'd hoped for. 1537 01:27:52,810 --> 01:27:56,897 And, you know, Bunawar wants to arrest all of the corrupt cops... 1538 01:27:57,106 --> 01:27:59,859 ...and put all these corrupt cops and politicians in prison. 1539 01:28:00,067 --> 01:28:01,110 That doesn't happen. 1540 01:28:01,318 --> 01:28:04,280 They all get bumped off, and that's not the way he wants it. 1541 01:28:04,488 --> 01:28:08,325 And so, yeah, it's all about dissatisfaction amongst these guys... 1542 01:28:08,534 --> 01:28:11,704 ...who have these, like, outrageously big ambitions in life. 1543 01:28:11,912 --> 01:28:14,790 But then those ambitions get taken away from them. 1544 01:28:15,791 --> 01:28:18,502 -Did we get the okay? -Fuck the okay. 1545 01:28:20,296 --> 01:28:24,383 So we're about to introduce Hammer Girl and Baseball Bat Man... 1546 01:28:24,592 --> 01:28:27,511 ...and the whole host of assassins that work for Bejo. 1547 01:28:28,012 --> 01:28:31,140 And this was just, like, so much fun to shoot... 1548 01:28:31,348 --> 01:28:35,102 ...and this is a great opportunity as well for us to play around with... 1549 01:28:35,311 --> 01:28:36,979 ...you know, character designs... 1550 01:28:37,188 --> 01:28:38,314 ...and to play around... 1551 01:28:38,522 --> 01:28:41,859 ...with, you know, the more comic-bookish elements of the film. 1552 01:28:42,067 --> 01:28:44,820 Because, you know, we're dealing with characters here... 1553 01:28:45,029 --> 01:28:46,739 ...which are not from the real world. 1554 01:28:46,947 --> 01:28:49,450 They're sort of pop icon images, they're-- 1555 01:28:49,658 --> 01:28:52,703 You know, they're designed, you know, specifically... 1556 01:28:52,912 --> 01:28:54,663 ...to not be like you and I. 1557 01:28:54,872 --> 01:28:56,540 They're larger than life. 1558 01:28:56,749 --> 01:29:00,544 And so it was kind of a challenge in a way to kind of figure out... 1559 01:29:00,753 --> 01:29:02,296 ...okay, well, how far can we go? 1560 01:29:02,504 --> 01:29:05,716 How far can we push this and for it still to work... 1561 01:29:05,925 --> 01:29:09,220 ...and for it to still feel like, at least in terms of the action... 1562 01:29:09,428 --> 01:29:14,058 ...that happens on screen, that we're not breaking those logic laws... 1563 01:29:14,266 --> 01:29:17,311 ...that we had sort of, like, established in the first few movies? 1564 01:29:17,519 --> 01:29:20,856 So I guess I'll talk now a little bit about the origin story... 1565 01:29:21,065 --> 01:29:24,902 ...for Hammer Girl and Baseball Bat Man, seeing as we're watching this coin spin... 1566 01:29:25,069 --> 01:29:28,906 ...because it actually relates to what I wanted to do for their origin. 1567 01:29:29,114 --> 01:29:32,159 The coin spinning is actually significant. 1568 01:29:32,451 --> 01:29:36,580 And basically the whole setup of it was the idea that when they were children... 1569 01:29:36,789 --> 01:29:40,251 ...the father would sit them down at a table and then spin a coin. 1570 01:29:40,459 --> 01:29:45,005 And if the coin landed on a head or a tail, that would be the deciding factor... 1571 01:29:45,214 --> 01:29:49,260 ...for which one he would be aggressive towards, violently abusive towards. 1572 01:29:50,135 --> 01:29:53,931 And so they were born and raised in this-- Like, this house... 1573 01:29:54,139 --> 01:29:57,017 ...of, like, domestic violence, you know, led by their father. 1574 01:29:57,226 --> 01:29:58,561 And the idea was that... 1575 01:29:58,769 --> 01:30:03,107 ...like, one day, Baseball Bat Kid, like, he couldn't take it anymore... 1576 01:30:03,315 --> 01:30:06,068 ...and then when the coin landed on his sister... 1577 01:30:06,277 --> 01:30:08,529 ...he took the coin, then tried to turn it over. 1578 01:30:08,737 --> 01:30:10,155 Like the wrong move to make... 1579 01:30:10,364 --> 01:30:13,826 ...and the father kind of took it out even more so on Hammer Girl then. 1580 01:30:14,034 --> 01:30:17,371 And basically, like, a switch went off in his head... 1581 01:30:17,579 --> 01:30:20,082 ...and Baseball Bat Man started to attack the father... 1582 01:30:20,291 --> 01:30:22,376 ...and Hammer Girl joined the attack. 1583 01:30:22,584 --> 01:30:26,630 The idea is that they both, you know, collectively killed the father. 1584 01:30:26,839 --> 01:30:29,425 And if you know anything about, like, the Kampung Aer... 1585 01:30:29,633 --> 01:30:33,596 ...the small village areas in Indonesia, like, you know, talk spreads fast... 1586 01:30:33,804 --> 01:30:37,224 ...but maybe the cops don't listen quickly enough. 1587 01:30:37,433 --> 01:30:40,311 And so the idea is that while this sort of chaos is going on... 1588 01:30:40,519 --> 01:30:42,563 ...and this curse is ensuing, word spreads... 1589 01:30:42,771 --> 01:30:45,733 ...and then this young 20-year-old sort of upstart Bejo... 1590 01:30:45,941 --> 01:30:49,236 ...sends his men and his guys to collect the two kids. 1591 01:30:49,445 --> 01:30:52,948 And so then they've grown up as part of Bejo's life... 1592 01:30:53,157 --> 01:30:56,535 ...as part of Bejo's sort of like children... 1593 01:30:56,702 --> 01:30:58,662 ...that've kind of been raised to become... 1594 01:30:58,871 --> 01:31:02,041 ...these, like, violent sort of killers that work on his behalf. 1595 01:31:02,249 --> 01:31:04,543 And so in the characters then we've established... 1596 01:31:04,752 --> 01:31:07,046 ...little sort of like immature details in them. 1597 01:31:07,254 --> 01:31:10,341 We introduce these elements which are kind of childlike about them. 1598 01:31:10,549 --> 01:31:13,135 Baseball Bat Man, when he hits the guys with the ball... 1599 01:31:13,344 --> 01:31:15,471 ...then says, "Give me the ball back, please." 1600 01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:17,598 Like a kid that's knocked his ball over... 1601 01:31:17,806 --> 01:31:21,643 ...into the backyard of some neighbor's house and then asks for it back. 1602 01:31:21,935 --> 01:31:25,481 When they sat at the bar, he's got, like, a glass of milk in front of him. 1603 01:31:25,689 --> 01:31:27,650 There's tiny details along the way... 1604 01:31:27,858 --> 01:31:30,861 ...and then later on when they get told to take out Rama... 1605 01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:32,613 ...and, you know, Hammer Girl-- 1606 01:31:32,821 --> 01:31:35,658 She's deaf and mute, doesn't hear anything that's going on... 1607 01:31:36,283 --> 01:31:39,036 ...all of a sudden, Baseball Bat Man grabs her by the arm... 1608 01:31:39,244 --> 01:31:42,414 ...to pull her like a child would, like a brother and sister thing. 1609 01:31:42,623 --> 01:31:43,665 She stumbles out of her chair... 1610 01:31:43,874 --> 01:31:46,460 ...reaches back like a child just to grab her hammers. 1611 01:31:46,669 --> 01:31:48,754 It's this kind of like contradiction really-- 1612 01:31:48,962 --> 01:31:52,883 You know, the sheer extreme and brutality of what they do and-- 1613 01:31:53,342 --> 01:31:55,886 Mixed in with these childlike elements along the way. 1614 01:31:56,095 --> 01:31:58,847 Like they-- It's like it's playtime to them. 1615 01:31:59,056 --> 01:32:01,308 I should talk about the characters, the actors... 1616 01:32:01,517 --> 01:32:03,936 ...playing these roles. Julie Estelle is Hammer Girl. 1617 01:32:04,269 --> 01:32:07,523 She's like a very well-respected actress in her own right... 1618 01:32:07,731 --> 01:32:10,567 ...and she's been the lead actress for a number of films. 1619 01:32:10,776 --> 01:32:14,822 She was in Rumah Dara again, the Mo Brothers' film. 1620 01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:17,908 So you really do know now I am stealing pretty much everyone... 1621 01:32:18,117 --> 01:32:21,537 ...that Timo and Kimo have ever cast before for my movies. 1622 01:32:21,745 --> 01:32:25,249 And so, yeah, so she was in that and I was impressed with her. 1623 01:32:25,457 --> 01:32:28,794 Again, she was one of those ones we contacted three or four years ago. 1624 01:32:29,002 --> 01:32:32,589 Had to wait, come back, re-audition. And she trained so hard for this role. 1625 01:32:32,798 --> 01:32:34,299 She's not a martial artist. 1626 01:32:34,508 --> 01:32:37,261 She wasn't somebody who had any basic training in fighting. 1627 01:32:37,469 --> 01:32:40,055 But she came in and she trained for like six months... 1628 01:32:40,264 --> 01:32:42,266 ...to play this role. For her to do that... 1629 01:32:42,724 --> 01:32:46,645 ...for a role made up of two scenes of fighting and one scene of drama... 1630 01:32:46,854 --> 01:32:49,690 ...to give up all of her time for that, I was so impressed. 1631 01:32:49,898 --> 01:32:52,568 And so I'm desperate to work with her again on something. 1632 01:32:53,569 --> 01:32:56,864 I feel she's got the potential. She could go big now in terms of this. 1633 01:32:57,072 --> 01:33:00,451 And if she wants to make this a serious career, she's got the ability. 1634 01:33:01,410 --> 01:33:06,498 Then Very Tri Yulisman as the Baseball Bat Man... 1635 01:33:07,082 --> 01:33:08,292 ...he's incredible. 1636 01:33:08,500 --> 01:33:10,544 I just love watching this guy fight. 1637 01:33:10,752 --> 01:33:12,713 He's from Iko's school as well... 1638 01:33:12,921 --> 01:33:15,257 ...and he actually had a small role in The Raid 1. 1639 01:33:15,466 --> 01:33:18,302 He was one of the fighters that Iko took out in the drugs lab. 1640 01:33:18,510 --> 01:33:21,346 He came on board to help out with some of the choreography... 1641 01:33:21,555 --> 01:33:23,515 ...and was training with Julie for a while. 1642 01:33:23,724 --> 01:33:26,185 And so they just developed this great chemistry... 1643 01:33:26,393 --> 01:33:29,438 ...this great, kind of like, you know, working relationship... 1644 01:33:29,646 --> 01:33:32,524 ...where it seemed to fit. One of those things where I was: 1645 01:33:32,733 --> 01:33:34,776 "Well, maybe we just try them out." 1646 01:33:34,985 --> 01:33:37,279 And we just fluked out. We got so lucky... 1647 01:33:37,488 --> 01:33:40,824 ...because, you know, I found Iko and Yayan... 1648 01:33:41,033 --> 01:33:42,951 ...as, you know, silat guys, experts... 1649 01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:46,205 ...that managed to also handle the performance really well. 1650 01:33:46,413 --> 01:33:47,581 And now we had it again. 1651 01:33:47,790 --> 01:33:49,666 Not just with Very as Baseball Bat Man... 1652 01:33:49,875 --> 01:33:53,754 ...but here we go, Cecep Arif Rahman as the Assassin. 1653 01:33:53,962 --> 01:33:56,215 I don't know what it is. I just keep lucking out. 1654 01:33:56,423 --> 01:33:58,967 I keep finding these guys who have extremely cool... 1655 01:33:59,176 --> 01:34:00,511 ...sort of like personas... 1656 01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:03,472 ...like, very expressive performances. 1657 01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,975 And, you know, all from almost zero experience... 1658 01:34:07,184 --> 01:34:09,019 ...of being in front of a camera before. 1659 01:34:09,228 --> 01:34:13,148 So, yeah, they're memorable characters, each and every one of them. 1660 01:34:13,357 --> 01:34:18,070 And so this whole sequence was just a blast to put together. 1661 01:34:18,278 --> 01:34:19,738 It was pretty tough actually... 1662 01:34:19,947 --> 01:34:23,617 ...kind of, like, in terms of the balancing of time between each one... 1663 01:34:23,825 --> 01:34:26,787 ...because, like, obviously Hammer Girl's fight is very long. 1664 01:34:26,995 --> 01:34:28,997 You know, it's a longer process... 1665 01:34:29,206 --> 01:34:33,168 ...with the amount of opponents she has compared to something like Cecep's... 1666 01:34:33,377 --> 01:34:36,505 ...where there's just one guy and it's almost over immediately. 1667 01:34:36,713 --> 01:34:38,924 It was quite a struggle to kind of figure out... 1668 01:34:39,132 --> 01:34:41,385 ...where we would put these cuts in and-- 1669 01:34:41,593 --> 01:34:43,595 Like, you know, intercut between each one... 1670 01:34:43,804 --> 01:34:45,639 ...without it feeling too imbalanced. 1671 01:34:47,724 --> 01:34:51,603 So here's the moment where we almost step over the line... 1672 01:34:51,812 --> 01:34:57,651 ...in terms of what we can get away with as a real, you know, fighting discipline. 1673 01:34:57,859 --> 01:35:01,613 It's the Babe Ruth moment coming up here. 1674 01:35:02,739 --> 01:35:05,492 We had a lot of questions in the scripting of this. 1675 01:35:05,701 --> 01:35:07,661 Like, the guys at XYZ were sort of like... 1676 01:35:07,869 --> 01:35:09,955 ...you know, uncertain about it... 1677 01:35:10,163 --> 01:35:13,083 ...and very worried about, like, how would it play. 1678 01:35:13,292 --> 01:35:15,752 But my approach is always like, look, it is absurd. 1679 01:35:15,919 --> 01:35:18,422 Absolutely ridiculous that he would be able to do this. 1680 01:35:19,214 --> 01:35:21,425 But, you know, let's present it in a way... 1681 01:35:21,633 --> 01:35:25,012 ...where I'll shoot it so that I make it feel like it's a matter-of-fact. 1682 01:35:25,512 --> 01:35:28,348 And I'll shoot it in a way where it doesn't feel absurd. 1683 01:35:28,557 --> 01:35:32,686 And then, you know, you get this odd combination then... 1684 01:35:32,895 --> 01:35:35,814 ...of, like, this surreal action design... 1685 01:35:36,023 --> 01:35:38,442 ...but present it so matter-of-fact you can't help... 1686 01:35:38,650 --> 01:35:40,861 ...but either take it seriously or laugh at it. 1687 01:35:41,069 --> 01:35:43,989 And either option is fine. 1688 01:35:44,573 --> 01:35:46,783 So Julie in this scene-- 1689 01:35:46,992 --> 01:35:49,578 Okay, so this-- Actually this set, this train station... 1690 01:35:49,786 --> 01:35:53,081 ...this subway train set, we had to build it ourselves. 1691 01:35:53,290 --> 01:35:56,251 We tried to get a real one, but it proved almost impossible. 1692 01:35:56,460 --> 01:36:00,422 Like, the budget was just ridiculous for renting a real train. 1693 01:36:00,631 --> 01:36:03,759 So we built it entirely on a sound studio... 1694 01:36:03,967 --> 01:36:06,053 ...with like suspension springs underneath... 1695 01:36:06,261 --> 01:36:10,349 ...so we could rock the entire carriage and get all the handles to rock with it. 1696 01:36:10,557 --> 01:36:12,768 We saw the sense of movement with the lights... 1697 01:36:12,976 --> 01:36:17,856 ...by having a bunch of sort of scaffolding set up along the side of the train... 1698 01:36:18,065 --> 01:36:21,360 ...with big lights pointing at these rotating mirrors... 1699 01:36:21,526 --> 01:36:23,445 ...that would send the light in streams... 1700 01:36:23,654 --> 01:36:26,531 ...going down to the subway train to help sell the effect then. 1701 01:36:32,704 --> 01:36:36,708 Okay, so there you go. Those are the three assassins. 1702 01:36:36,917 --> 01:36:41,505 And that was a very extreme sequence there. 1703 01:36:41,713 --> 01:36:42,923 And it was originally-- 1704 01:36:43,131 --> 01:36:46,176 Initially, we were gonna cut back to the festival. 1705 01:36:46,385 --> 01:36:48,261 The festival was like a Reog performance. 1706 01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:50,806 That's like a traditional Indonesian festival. 1707 01:36:51,014 --> 01:36:52,641 I wanted to cut back into that... 1708 01:36:52,849 --> 01:36:56,228 ...to have another, you know, gun battle between the two rival groups... 1709 01:36:56,436 --> 01:36:59,898 ...to show the escalation of the gang war. We cut it in the end for pacing. 1710 01:37:00,107 --> 01:37:03,193 Because we were staying way away from Rama for too long. 1711 01:37:03,402 --> 01:37:05,946 So then we cut to this scene instead to kind of like-- 1712 01:37:06,154 --> 01:37:08,991 We could still have that sense of escalation of a gang war... 1713 01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:11,326 ...and then also introduce, like, the-- 1714 01:37:11,535 --> 01:37:12,828 What we later discovered... 1715 01:37:13,036 --> 01:37:16,164 ...is that he's coming under attack from the cops. 1716 01:37:16,623 --> 01:37:21,753 Yeah, it was-- That other scene had to go and this kind of took its place then. 1717 01:37:22,546 --> 01:37:26,383 This setup though, the idea of a guy being attacked in a car like that... 1718 01:37:26,591 --> 01:37:28,844 ...it's actually based on a true story. 1719 01:37:29,052 --> 01:37:32,639 I'd heard about a friend of mine who was, like, a member of the police... 1720 01:37:32,848 --> 01:37:36,768 ...and during the London riots, a friend of his was on patrol... 1721 01:37:36,977 --> 01:37:40,939 ...in a police car, and then when he came to a traffic light... 1722 01:37:41,148 --> 01:37:43,734 ...as he stopped at the traffic lights and it hit red... 1723 01:37:43,942 --> 01:37:45,944 ...all of a sudden, a bunch of teens came... 1724 01:37:46,153 --> 01:37:48,989 ...running out of the alleyways with scaffolding bars... 1725 01:37:49,197 --> 01:37:51,575 ...and smashed the windows in, hit him in the face. 1726 01:37:51,783 --> 01:37:54,619 As he looked up from the floor, he could see knives coming... 1727 01:37:54,828 --> 01:37:57,664 ...trying to hit him. He ended up having to do the same thing. 1728 01:37:57,873 --> 01:38:01,293 Push down on the gas pedal with his hand and get himself out of there. 1729 01:38:01,501 --> 01:38:03,545 Thankfully he was okay, but, like, it's the-- 1730 01:38:03,754 --> 01:38:07,632 For me, like, once I'd kind of heard that, it was that thing of instant fear... 1731 01:38:07,841 --> 01:38:09,009 ...because this is like-- 1732 01:38:09,217 --> 01:38:11,595 It's such a terrifying claustrophobic space... 1733 01:38:11,803 --> 01:38:15,223 ...and so I thought, like, you know, it's like a nightmarish situation. 1734 01:38:15,432 --> 01:38:17,100 It gave me an opportunity to jump... 1735 01:38:17,309 --> 01:38:21,188 ...into that horror genre aspect that we had in the first film again... 1736 01:38:21,396 --> 01:38:23,815 ...but with another action sequence. 1737 01:38:25,776 --> 01:38:31,490 This was a very important moment for me in terms of the character for Rama. 1738 01:38:32,324 --> 01:38:33,366 We have this-- 1739 01:38:33,575 --> 01:38:36,578 Until now it was all kind of like playful with the choreography. 1740 01:38:36,787 --> 01:38:38,789 That usual thing we do with the punch lines. 1741 01:38:38,997 --> 01:38:41,500 But now what we do here is we have an element... 1742 01:38:41,708 --> 01:38:43,794 ...where it's pushing the boundaries... 1743 01:38:44,002 --> 01:38:47,422 ...of, like, you know, what we're allowing him as a protagonist to do. 1744 01:38:47,631 --> 01:38:49,341 Are we gonna follow him this far down? 1745 01:38:49,549 --> 01:38:53,762 He starts to kind of show this side of him where he's getting more sadistic... 1746 01:38:53,970 --> 01:38:57,015 ...getting more drawn into the violence of the world around him. 1747 01:38:57,224 --> 01:39:01,061 And, like, he holds that guy's head on the hot plate for so long... 1748 01:39:01,269 --> 01:39:04,022 ...that I wanted it to be a moment in the audience's mind... 1749 01:39:04,231 --> 01:39:07,359 ...where they're starting to question, well, can I still follow him? 1750 01:39:07,567 --> 01:39:09,820 Can I still call him my hero of my film... 1751 01:39:10,028 --> 01:39:12,405 ...when, you know, he's taken us down this route... 1752 01:39:12,614 --> 01:39:14,991 ...that maybe we don't want to follow? 1753 01:39:15,325 --> 01:39:18,453 And again, like, the kind of, like, to hark back to that thing... 1754 01:39:18,662 --> 01:39:20,497 ...of, like, not focusing on the pain... 1755 01:39:20,705 --> 01:39:24,668 ...like when it came to that sequence, it was a very conscious decision... 1756 01:39:24,876 --> 01:39:27,337 ...to kind of show almost the entire sequence... 1757 01:39:27,546 --> 01:39:31,007 ...showing his expression, not showing the guy on the hot plate. 1758 01:39:31,216 --> 01:39:36,638 We show a little insert here and there, but it's on Rama's expression... 1759 01:39:36,847 --> 01:39:39,516 ...to kind of sell that conflict within him... 1760 01:39:39,724 --> 01:39:42,561 ...that sort of anger building within himself... 1761 01:39:42,769 --> 01:39:46,481 ...about what he's willing to go through... 1762 01:39:46,690 --> 01:39:48,984 ...and how much he's fighting against that rage... 1763 01:39:49,192 --> 01:39:50,819 ...to kind of get over the fact... 1764 01:39:51,027 --> 01:39:53,446 ...that he got suddenly attacked by these guys... 1765 01:39:53,655 --> 01:39:56,116 ...in such a brutal and nightmarish fashion. 1766 01:39:56,324 --> 01:39:58,743 I wanna talk a little bit about Kazuki Kitamura... 1767 01:39:58,952 --> 01:40:02,873 ...because he was another element of the Japanese gang... 1768 01:40:03,081 --> 01:40:04,291 ...that we cast as well. 1769 01:40:04,499 --> 01:40:08,712 He'd worked on a film that I produced for the Mo Brothers to make, Killers. 1770 01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:12,841 And in that film he was cast alongside Oka Antara... 1771 01:40:13,049 --> 01:40:14,718 ...also in this film, in this scene. 1772 01:40:14,926 --> 01:40:16,970 They're both playing opposite numbers here. 1773 01:40:17,178 --> 01:40:18,930 So it was an interesting opportunity. 1774 01:40:19,389 --> 01:40:21,558 Kazuki had come over to Jakarta for Killers. 1775 01:40:21,766 --> 01:40:23,310 And we talked to him and we said: 1776 01:40:23,518 --> 01:40:26,354 "Okay, well, we do have a role, but it's small. 1777 01:40:26,563 --> 01:40:28,732 If you're interested in coming and doing this... 1778 01:40:28,940 --> 01:40:31,276 ...we can try to find something cool for you to do. 1779 01:40:31,484 --> 01:40:34,654 And so fair play to him, I mean, he came on board... 1780 01:40:34,863 --> 01:40:37,157 ...and these guys got on so well. 1781 01:40:37,365 --> 01:40:39,743 The three Japanese actors got on so well together. 1782 01:40:39,951 --> 01:40:42,787 I think this was the first time actually the three of them... 1783 01:40:42,996 --> 01:40:44,456 ...had been in a film together. 1784 01:40:44,664 --> 01:40:48,335 It was kind of like a milestone for them and they're so well-established now... 1785 01:40:48,543 --> 01:40:51,755 ...that it was just a dream for me to be able to work with them on it. 1786 01:40:51,963 --> 01:40:53,798 And besides, like, the Japanese cast... 1787 01:40:54,007 --> 01:40:56,760 ...we also had the benefit of working with, you know... 1788 01:40:56,968 --> 01:40:58,803 ...a number of senior actors. Here's one. 1789 01:40:59,012 --> 01:41:01,306 It's Deddy Sutomo, who plays the mediator... 1790 01:41:01,514 --> 01:41:02,891 ...for this scene in the film. 1791 01:41:04,726 --> 01:41:06,311 He was a joy to work with as well. 1792 01:41:06,519 --> 01:41:08,980 It's one of these things where we were lucky on this. 1793 01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:12,108 We had, like, a lot of experienced actors... 1794 01:41:12,317 --> 01:41:15,528 ...that brought a lot of sort of, you know, character to the film. 1795 01:41:15,737 --> 01:41:17,113 They were a joy to work with. 1796 01:41:17,322 --> 01:41:19,991 They seemed to really respond to what we were doing... 1797 01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:23,078 ...and I guess they see that what we're trying to do-- 1798 01:41:23,286 --> 01:41:26,665 Especially in terms of for the Indonesian film industry is important. 1799 01:41:26,873 --> 01:41:30,377 Like, we're not sort of like making the job easy for ourselves. 1800 01:41:30,585 --> 01:41:32,921 We're trying to push, stretch these projects out... 1801 01:41:33,129 --> 01:41:36,091 ...and make them as ambitious as we possibly can. 1802 01:41:36,299 --> 01:41:38,385 And so, like, you know, Deddy... 1803 01:41:39,469 --> 01:41:41,721 ...Pong Harjatmo and then Roy Marten... 1804 01:41:41,930 --> 01:41:45,558 ...who we'll meet later on again as well, alongside Cok and Tio... 1805 01:41:45,767 --> 01:41:47,936 ...these guys have supported us massively. 1806 01:41:48,144 --> 01:41:50,438 They've always been complimentary... 1807 01:41:50,647 --> 01:41:54,818 ...of our work ethic, and the passion and the hard work... 1808 01:41:55,026 --> 01:41:56,528 ...that went into the crew. 1809 01:41:56,736 --> 01:41:58,989 So, yeah, it's been a great experience... 1810 01:41:59,197 --> 01:42:01,366 ...to kind of work with those guys, and, like-- 1811 01:42:01,574 --> 01:42:04,285 Yeah, a lot of them I can't wait to work with again. 1812 01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:22,804 So we touched on a little something earlier on in the film where-- 1813 01:42:23,013 --> 01:42:25,306 This kind of comes back, and I'm not sure, like... 1814 01:42:25,515 --> 01:42:28,101 ...how much clarity there is to this. There was always-- 1815 01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:31,187 I have this thing, whereby, there are certain things you guys-- 1816 01:42:31,396 --> 01:42:33,565 You see first time around, you'll pick up on... 1817 01:42:33,773 --> 01:42:35,650 ...some things you probably won't. 1818 01:42:36,276 --> 01:42:38,445 One thing I don't like to do is kind of just-- 1819 01:42:38,653 --> 01:42:41,614 Is to spoon-feed too much in terms of the information. 1820 01:42:41,823 --> 01:42:43,116 So earlier on in the film... 1821 01:42:43,325 --> 01:42:46,077 ...when we saw him switching the SIM cards around... 1822 01:42:46,286 --> 01:42:50,040 ...it was kind of clear in a way that, you know, he would use one... 1823 01:42:50,248 --> 01:42:53,334 ...in order to be able to call, like, Bunawar or his wife... 1824 01:42:53,543 --> 01:42:55,003 ...or anyone close to him. 1825 01:42:55,211 --> 01:42:57,922 The other one was purely for any communication he had... 1826 01:42:58,131 --> 01:43:00,050 ...with the people he was investigating. 1827 01:43:00,258 --> 01:43:02,719 You know, Eka, Bangun or Uco. 1828 01:43:02,927 --> 01:43:05,221 And so, like, this is one of those moments... 1829 01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:09,893 ...where as we start to kind of focus on this entire conversation... 1830 01:43:10,101 --> 01:43:11,728 ...between him and Bunawar... 1831 01:43:13,229 --> 01:43:15,231 ...when he does hang up eventually... 1832 01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:18,651 ...that we realize that, you know, this SIM card hadn't been changed. 1833 01:43:18,860 --> 01:43:22,113 And so when he gets the call from Eka, the intent is there... 1834 01:43:22,322 --> 01:43:26,284 ...that he's made a call to Bunawar from the SIM... 1835 01:43:26,493 --> 01:43:28,620 ...that was provided to him by the mob family. 1836 01:43:28,828 --> 01:43:31,873 So if they are keeping tabs on him, if they are looking up the-- 1837 01:43:32,082 --> 01:43:33,917 His itemized billing, whatever the hell. 1838 01:43:34,125 --> 01:43:37,921 They'd know he made a call to someone. They'd be able to trace that, figure out... 1839 01:43:38,129 --> 01:43:40,799 ...he had a connection to someone, who is that person. 1840 01:43:41,007 --> 01:43:43,843 Would they be able to figure out he was an undercover cop... 1841 01:43:44,052 --> 01:43:46,304 ...based off that information? 1842 01:43:46,513 --> 01:43:48,223 It is kind of a stretch in a way... 1843 01:43:48,431 --> 01:43:51,059 ...because we don't give that much away... 1844 01:43:51,267 --> 01:43:54,604 ...in terms of hinting at it too much, but, like-- 1845 01:43:54,813 --> 01:43:57,899 I don't know, maybe it's something that you guys pick up on. 1846 01:44:00,735 --> 01:44:04,447 Another aspect was that thing of, like-- This was in the original script... 1847 01:44:04,656 --> 01:44:07,617 ...and this was kind of something that carried over into here... 1848 01:44:07,826 --> 01:44:12,247 ... to show maybe like a sense of, like, strength and resolve in his character... 1849 01:44:12,455 --> 01:44:15,291 ...the idea that, you know, he was preparing himself to leave. 1850 01:44:15,500 --> 01:44:19,796 He was getting ready to kind of like, you know, disappear from the underworld... 1851 01:44:20,004 --> 01:44:23,466 ...even though, you know, his responsibility as an undercover cop... 1852 01:44:23,675 --> 01:44:25,510 ...is to see it through to the end. 1853 01:44:25,718 --> 01:44:28,680 But, you know, it was the idea of planting those seeds of doubt. 1854 01:44:28,888 --> 01:44:31,766 That idea that, you know, when we get to the end of the film... 1855 01:44:31,975 --> 01:44:34,853 ...we understand where he reaches. We understand where he is... 1856 01:44:35,061 --> 01:44:38,606 ...when he wants to get out of this life and just be done with it. 1857 01:44:40,191 --> 01:44:44,445 So this sequence here, I'm so proud of Arif and Tio here... 1858 01:44:44,654 --> 01:44:46,364 ...because they nailed this sequence. 1859 01:44:46,573 --> 01:44:50,785 And the whole slapping idea... 1860 01:44:50,994 --> 01:44:54,247 ...it came from a Takeshi Kitano film called Violent Cop. 1861 01:44:54,455 --> 01:44:56,624 There's a superb sort of interrogation scene... 1862 01:44:56,833 --> 01:44:59,961 ...where Kitano pretty much slaps this guy about 40 to 50 times... 1863 01:45:00,170 --> 01:45:01,671 ...like really full-on. 1864 01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:03,298 But I wanted to do that... 1865 01:45:03,506 --> 01:45:08,094 ...but in a way where it would work more for the emotional drama of the scene... 1866 01:45:08,303 --> 01:45:12,265 ...that it would kind of wind up Uco to the point where he would explode. 1867 01:45:12,473 --> 01:45:14,142 And so, yeah, it was-- 1868 01:45:14,350 --> 01:45:17,854 There was a moment between Arifin and Tio when they discussed it... 1869 01:45:18,062 --> 01:45:21,566 ...and they kind of, you know, did a couple of mild hits at first... 1870 01:45:21,774 --> 01:45:23,610 ...and when it came to the take, it was: 1871 01:45:23,818 --> 01:45:26,905 "Okay, you go full-on now, and then let's just do this in one go." 1872 01:45:27,113 --> 01:45:30,825 And so I held on it. We held this shot entirely for one take... 1873 01:45:31,034 --> 01:45:34,037 ...all the way through till the end of the drama here. 1874 01:45:34,245 --> 01:45:39,500 So I was very, very happy and actually very happy with what I got. 1875 01:45:40,043 --> 01:45:43,296 The range of emotions here from Arifin is so strong. 1876 01:45:43,504 --> 01:45:45,965 Even when there's a line that he kind of half laughs. 1877 01:45:46,174 --> 01:45:49,761 It just feels natural. It feels like it's part of it all. 1878 01:45:51,137 --> 01:45:53,640 You've destroyed us. 1879 01:45:53,806 --> 01:45:55,475 You've destroyed everything. 1880 01:45:55,642 --> 01:45:59,729 One of the things I liked about this scene, especially in terms of Arifin's delivery... 1881 01:45:59,938 --> 01:46:03,566 ...because, like, we are trying to sort of hide the fact that... 1882 01:46:03,775 --> 01:46:07,862 ...you know, this is all still a setup, that this is all, you know, pre-designed... 1883 01:46:08,071 --> 01:46:10,490 ...that the idea is that Bejo's men are on their way. 1884 01:46:10,698 --> 01:46:13,284 They're about to arrive in that building at this moment. 1885 01:46:13,493 --> 01:46:15,370 And here, there's like a genuine look... 1886 01:46:15,578 --> 01:46:18,414 ...of, like, worry and nervousness in Arifin's face. 1887 01:46:18,623 --> 01:46:21,709 You know, he-- And that was all about the idea of, you know... 1888 01:46:21,918 --> 01:46:24,295 ...it's like the last throw of the dice for him. 1889 01:46:24,504 --> 01:46:28,341 So when his father punches him, that's the deciding moment for Arifin then. 1890 01:46:28,549 --> 01:46:30,385 For Uco's character, sorry. 1891 01:46:30,593 --> 01:46:33,805 Everything before that, that sort of desperation of "I can fix this... 1892 01:46:34,013 --> 01:46:36,766 ...we can fix this," it's almost like I believe him. 1893 01:46:36,975 --> 01:46:39,477 I believe that he does believe that he can fix this... 1894 01:46:39,686 --> 01:46:42,272 ...and he's almost wanting his father to kind of just-- 1895 01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:45,400 To embrace him and to take on board like, you know... 1896 01:46:45,608 --> 01:46:47,902 ...and to say, "Okay. We will work together." 1897 01:46:48,111 --> 01:46:52,323 It's like a desperate moment that before he knows that Bejo is about to come in... 1898 01:46:52,532 --> 01:46:55,868 ...because the moment that Bejo comes in, that's it, decision made then. 1899 01:46:56,077 --> 01:46:59,831 And we know, you know, what's about to happen to the father. 1900 01:47:00,039 --> 01:47:03,668 So, yeah, it was an interesting little sort of like exchange between them... 1901 01:47:03,876 --> 01:47:07,171 ...where it's almost like if he hadn't punched him... 1902 01:47:07,755 --> 01:47:10,633 ...maybe Uco could have done something... 1903 01:47:10,842 --> 01:47:13,011 ...could have stopped this from happening. 1904 01:47:13,219 --> 01:47:15,680 But now, of course, it's too late. 1905 01:47:17,056 --> 01:47:19,058 Forgive me. 1906 01:47:21,936 --> 01:47:25,523 We made a conscious decision here... 1907 01:47:27,191 --> 01:47:30,445 ...to not have the sound effect of the gun. 1908 01:47:30,653 --> 01:47:33,448 We just felt that it kind of played a lot stronger... 1909 01:47:33,656 --> 01:47:37,201 ...to the actual impact of the moment. 1910 01:47:37,410 --> 01:47:40,788 It kind of gave it a subtlety to it that we felt was more important... 1911 01:47:40,997 --> 01:47:44,334 ...than the kind of-- You know, the sudden crash of something... 1912 01:47:44,542 --> 01:47:46,961 ...that was gonna be more visceral. 1913 01:47:47,503 --> 01:47:51,382 And, you know, that whole process was a major part of the sound mix... 1914 01:47:51,591 --> 01:47:56,971 ...and the sound design that we did in Skywalker Sound in San Francisco. 1915 01:47:57,180 --> 01:48:00,933 Now, they came on board to help us out with the postproduction... 1916 01:48:01,893 --> 01:48:04,520 ...through our connection with Joe Trapanese. 1917 01:48:04,729 --> 01:48:07,023 Joe Trapanese had worked on Oblivion, the score... 1918 01:48:07,231 --> 01:48:11,819 ...and they did a lot of the mixing there in the sound mixing studios... 1919 01:48:12,028 --> 01:48:13,071 ...at Skywalker Ranch. 1920 01:48:13,279 --> 01:48:16,032 And so I was put in touch with Jonathan Greber... 1921 01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:21,079 ...who's, like, pretty much the greatest guy I've worked with in terms of sound. 1922 01:48:21,287 --> 01:48:25,124 And he took a look at our project and he was like a fan of the first film... 1923 01:48:25,333 --> 01:48:28,544 ...and just, you know, I always had that kind of expectation of: 1924 01:48:28,753 --> 01:48:32,090 There's no way we can afford him. There's no way we can do that there... 1925 01:48:32,298 --> 01:48:34,550 ...because it's such, you know, a big company. 1926 01:48:34,717 --> 01:48:36,511 Like, you associate it with Star Wars. 1927 01:48:36,677 --> 01:48:39,389 You associate it with that legacy of what they've achieved. 1928 01:48:39,597 --> 01:48:41,766 I'm thinking, "They're not gonna wanna touch... 1929 01:48:41,974 --> 01:48:44,352 ...this little Indonesian movie that we're making." 1930 01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,230 But in all fairness to him, and he came through... 1931 01:48:47,438 --> 01:48:49,690 ...and asked us what we wanted, what we needed... 1932 01:48:50,108 --> 01:48:52,276 ...what we could afford, what our budget was... 1933 01:48:52,485 --> 01:48:54,821 ...and then, you know, found a way to make it work. 1934 01:48:55,029 --> 01:48:58,700 So we had the best time working there. It was such an incredible experience. 1935 01:48:58,908 --> 01:49:01,786 But what was great about it was the fact that they were open... 1936 01:49:01,994 --> 01:49:04,372 ...to, like, you know, my ideas for how I wanted... 1937 01:49:04,580 --> 01:49:06,833 ...to, you know, stylize some of the sound mix... 1938 01:49:07,041 --> 01:49:10,920 ...and play around with the idea of when to go big, when to go loud... 1939 01:49:11,129 --> 01:49:13,506 ...but also when to come down to complete silence... 1940 01:49:13,715 --> 01:49:16,426 ...and play in that kind of dynamic range a lot more. 1941 01:49:16,634 --> 01:49:18,928 And, you know, they were all open to that. 1942 01:49:19,137 --> 01:49:21,097 And also, the great side of it was that... 1943 01:49:21,305 --> 01:49:24,434 ...through the guys there, like Zach, Brandon, Doug... 1944 01:49:24,642 --> 01:49:25,810 ...there was so much-- 1945 01:49:26,018 --> 01:49:29,147 And Danielle, they all kind of brought so many ideas to the plate... 1946 01:49:29,355 --> 01:49:31,899 ...and we had so much fun working together on it. 1947 01:49:32,108 --> 01:49:34,193 Like, it was hard. It was, like, long hours... 1948 01:49:34,402 --> 01:49:39,449 ...but if I had an idea, there was sort of like a straightforward approach to it. 1949 01:49:39,657 --> 01:49:43,619 Like, if something was a bad idea, they'd tell me it was a bad idea. 1950 01:49:43,828 --> 01:49:46,497 But then they would throw in about four or five ideas... 1951 01:49:46,706 --> 01:49:48,499 ...to kind of compensate for that. 1952 01:49:48,708 --> 01:49:51,461 And it was just a real good, creative process and-- 1953 01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:55,173 And great for Ogi and Fajar to come on board as well... 1954 01:49:55,381 --> 01:49:57,675 ...because they were working as sound designers... 1955 01:49:57,884 --> 01:50:01,429 ...and they got to come in and experience that whole side of it as well. 1956 01:50:01,637 --> 01:50:04,056 And so the idea of us working on these projects... 1957 01:50:04,265 --> 01:50:07,769 ...and being able to bring elements of postproduction or production... 1958 01:50:07,977 --> 01:50:10,313 ...to another country, it's great for us... 1959 01:50:10,521 --> 01:50:12,982 ...because we can train ourselves, learn from it... 1960 01:50:13,191 --> 01:50:16,444 ...get these experiences, so that when we go back to Indonesia... 1961 01:50:16,652 --> 01:50:19,155 ...we've got a new approach on how to work on things. 1962 01:50:19,363 --> 01:50:23,367 And so, yeah, it's been a great process. 1963 01:50:24,076 --> 01:50:26,829 And speaking of learning from other people... 1964 01:50:27,038 --> 01:50:31,167 ...we reach our car chase, our big car chase for the film. 1965 01:50:31,375 --> 01:50:34,712 This was, like, without doubt, the biggest undertaking... 1966 01:50:34,921 --> 01:50:37,507 ...that I have ever had in terms of an action sequence. 1967 01:50:37,715 --> 01:50:39,592 It was our first time to ever do this... 1968 01:50:39,801 --> 01:50:44,680 ...and we couldn't have done this without the help of Mike Leeden.. 1969 01:50:44,889 --> 01:50:48,017 ...a good friend of mine who's worked in the casting-- 1970 01:50:48,226 --> 01:50:51,437 The casting of many, many Hong Kong films, and like finding talent... 1971 01:50:51,646 --> 01:50:56,108 ...for movies that are being produced in Hong Kong or outside of there. 1972 01:50:56,317 --> 01:50:57,735 And he put me in touch... 1973 01:50:57,944 --> 01:51:02,782 ...with the incredibly skillful and crazy Bruce Law and his stunt team. 1974 01:51:02,990 --> 01:51:05,451 Bruce has had credits on so many films... 1975 01:51:05,660 --> 01:51:07,620 ...I have geeked out over over the years... 1976 01:51:07,828 --> 01:51:09,831 ...working with John Woo and Jackie Chan... 1977 01:51:10,039 --> 01:51:12,667 ...on Police Story and The Killer and Hard Boiled. 1978 01:51:12,875 --> 01:51:16,712 All of these films that have been like milestone films in terms of action cinema... 1979 01:51:16,879 --> 01:51:20,174 ...for me and part of my generation growing up watching them. 1980 01:51:20,383 --> 01:51:23,386 So to have him on board helping us execute these sequences... 1981 01:51:23,594 --> 01:51:27,265 ...and executing these stunts was just like a-- It was a dream come true. 1982 01:51:27,473 --> 01:51:30,726 So, yeah, we've worked together on this... 1983 01:51:30,935 --> 01:51:35,815 ...and we spent about a month or two maybe just designing the sequence. 1984 01:51:36,023 --> 01:51:39,735 And I came to him already with a pre-designed sequence... 1985 01:51:39,944 --> 01:51:42,905 ...and what I wanted to achieve with it, and I gave him... 1986 01:51:43,114 --> 01:51:46,826 ...like, very specific, detailed shot lists... 1987 01:51:47,034 --> 01:51:50,162 ...and video storyboards of where I want to put the camera... 1988 01:51:50,371 --> 01:51:53,749 ...where I want to move it, and he would take all that and then say: 1989 01:51:53,958 --> 01:51:56,961 "Okay. We can do that, but then let's add a few cameras here"... 1990 01:51:57,169 --> 01:52:00,464 ...and then give me, like, a bunch of other options that I could use... 1991 01:52:00,673 --> 01:52:03,467 ...in order to, you know, really make the scene pop. 1992 01:52:03,676 --> 01:52:06,804 And so it was invaluable to have him and his team on board... 1993 01:52:07,013 --> 01:52:10,892 ...to make sure that, like, this entire sequence went by without a hitch. 1994 01:52:11,100 --> 01:52:14,979 And so, yeah, this was-- This was just ferocious. 1995 01:52:16,147 --> 01:52:19,442 Real hard-- Hard graft on this. 1996 01:52:19,775 --> 01:52:23,946 These are, like, four or five different locations throughout Jakarta. 1997 01:52:24,155 --> 01:52:25,406 This one is Sunter. 1998 01:52:25,615 --> 01:52:26,991 This road is always closed... 1999 01:52:27,450 --> 01:52:30,953 ...but it is the most busy area for traffic... 2000 01:52:31,162 --> 01:52:33,247 ...in Jakarta I have been to for a long time. 2001 01:52:33,456 --> 01:52:35,207 So when we were shooting there... 2002 01:52:35,416 --> 01:52:38,252 ...we were breathing the fumes of so many different cars... 2003 01:52:38,461 --> 01:52:42,965 ...and then, also, having to listen to numerous people... 2004 01:52:43,174 --> 01:52:46,636 ...teach me the many, many ways to swear at you in Indonesian. 2005 01:52:48,846 --> 01:52:51,849 We were not the best friends of the people of Indonesia... 2006 01:52:52,058 --> 01:52:54,185 ...when we were shooting these sequences. 2007 01:52:54,393 --> 01:53:00,358 The delays in the traffic actually made the news broadcasts in Indonesia. 2008 01:53:00,566 --> 01:53:02,485 Talking about, "What is this production... 2009 01:53:02,693 --> 01:53:05,529 ...that is, you know, causing this traffic pileup?" 2010 01:53:05,738 --> 01:53:08,199 And we all knew who it was, but we kept quiet. 2011 01:53:08,658 --> 01:53:10,701 We needed to keep finishing our shoot first. 2012 01:53:12,453 --> 01:53:16,207 One of the things I wanted to do here in this car chase-- 2013 01:53:16,415 --> 01:53:18,417 Because we couldn't afford to do things... 2014 01:53:18,626 --> 01:53:20,795 ...that you can do in a Fast & Furious movie... 2015 01:53:21,003 --> 01:53:23,965 ...where you throw different cars through the same building... 2016 01:53:24,382 --> 01:53:27,885 ...and then go for a flat-out spectacle. I knew we had to be more careful... 2017 01:53:28,094 --> 01:53:30,346 ...about how we used cars, we didn't have many. 2018 01:53:30,554 --> 01:53:33,975 So previously, like, we started to focus on things that we could make... 2019 01:53:34,183 --> 01:53:37,353 ...which were unique to Indonesia or unique to this type of film... 2020 01:53:37,561 --> 01:53:40,439 ...that we wanted to make. So, for me, was that thing of like-- 2021 01:53:40,648 --> 01:53:43,526 Toro, my producer suggested we should use the bus way... 2022 01:53:43,734 --> 01:53:46,028 ...which is a very unique thing in Indonesia... 2023 01:53:46,237 --> 01:53:49,031 ...that big sort of glass, metal complex earlier. 2024 01:53:49,240 --> 01:53:53,703 That would be one of our punch lines. The other thing is this punch line here. 2025 01:53:55,621 --> 01:53:57,790 You never normally see the body fly out the car. 2026 01:53:57,999 --> 01:54:00,710 That was one thing I realized when watching action films... 2027 01:54:00,918 --> 01:54:04,630 ...is that whenever they do a car chase, it's the car, it's the metal... 2028 01:54:04,839 --> 01:54:07,007 ...and the glass that flies across the road. 2029 01:54:07,216 --> 01:54:08,801 It's never the person inside it. 2030 01:54:09,010 --> 01:54:11,929 So you almost get this, like, you know, not irresponsible... 2031 01:54:12,138 --> 01:54:15,599 ...you almost get this sense of "these cars can smash all over the place... 2032 01:54:15,766 --> 01:54:17,309 ...it doesn't change anything." 2033 01:54:17,518 --> 01:54:21,188 What I wanted to do was to be like, "Let's see what happens to that guy." 2034 01:54:21,397 --> 01:54:23,858 So the construction of that shot was done in a way... 2035 01:54:24,066 --> 01:54:26,068 ...where we keep it all from the top shot... 2036 01:54:26,277 --> 01:54:28,446 ...all from a bird's-eye view, not cut away... 2037 01:54:28,654 --> 01:54:31,699 ...and just show the actual impact of that car hitting the wall... 2038 01:54:31,907 --> 01:54:35,828 ...and then comp in, like, the image of the fighter... 2039 01:54:36,037 --> 01:54:37,663 ...flying through the windscreen... 2040 01:54:37,872 --> 01:54:42,126 ...so that you get it all in one take and you get this sense of it being sort of like-- 2041 01:54:42,334 --> 01:54:44,462 Like a gonzo moment in the film. 2042 01:54:44,670 --> 01:54:48,841 So all of a sudden, you know, you've got this thing that feels so real... 2043 01:54:49,050 --> 01:54:51,844 ...and then people hopefully will start to question: 2044 01:54:52,052 --> 01:54:55,222 "What do they do to the Stuntmen? How do they execute these shots?" 2045 01:54:55,431 --> 01:54:58,309 When in reality, it's so, so safe the way we did it. 2046 01:55:01,687 --> 01:55:04,690 I guess one of the things I wanted to play around with then-- 2047 01:55:04,899 --> 01:55:06,859 And here you go, this is another one. 2048 01:55:07,067 --> 01:55:10,196 --is like referencing the first movie. So in the first movie... 2049 01:55:10,404 --> 01:55:14,533 ...we had the sequence where Jaka did the triple tap to the guy's face. 2050 01:55:14,742 --> 01:55:18,954 I was thinking, "How can we top that?" Well, I was a big fan of Dobermann... 2051 01:55:19,163 --> 01:55:23,042 ...and there's a scene where they were shooting at this biker, let's top that... 2052 01:55:23,250 --> 01:55:27,797 ...and then in the process of doing that, let's top our Raid 1 triple-tap moment. 2053 01:55:28,005 --> 01:55:30,174 And I have, like, a mad respect for Dobermann... 2054 01:55:30,382 --> 01:55:33,219 ...because I absolutely love that film on a stylistic level. 2055 01:55:33,427 --> 01:55:36,013 But I really wanted to kind of push and push and push... 2056 01:55:36,222 --> 01:55:38,557 ...and then see what we could come up with. 2057 01:55:38,849 --> 01:55:41,769 And again, you know, using this opportunity... 2058 01:55:41,977 --> 01:55:46,273 ...to showcase an action sequence inside the back of the car... 2059 01:55:46,482 --> 01:55:48,442 ...where it's completely claustrophobic... 2060 01:55:48,651 --> 01:55:51,070 ...and intercut with moments where we jump out wide. 2061 01:55:51,278 --> 01:55:55,324 So it's a case of playing around with the spatial diversity of this scene... 2062 01:55:55,533 --> 01:55:57,868 ...where we're allowed to go epic, to go big... 2063 01:55:58,077 --> 01:56:01,080 ...we're allowed to have a moment here like, you know... 2064 01:56:01,288 --> 01:56:04,750 ...who can load the gun the fastest in a sort of little Mexican standoff... 2065 01:56:04,959 --> 01:56:08,379 ...while they're driving cars down this speeding motorway... 2066 01:56:08,587 --> 01:56:13,926 ...and then combine this with these big, big, big set-piece moments... 2067 01:56:14,135 --> 01:56:16,762 ...with this, like, super tight, claustrophobic fight... 2068 01:56:16,971 --> 01:56:19,056 ...when we get back into that other car. 2069 01:56:19,265 --> 01:56:20,975 And that seemed to be the key. 2070 01:56:21,183 --> 01:56:24,144 Like, let's treat it like everything's a piece of choreography. 2071 01:56:24,353 --> 01:56:26,313 Let's treat every bump of every car... 2072 01:56:26,522 --> 01:56:28,732 ...like it's a construct of the choreography... 2073 01:56:28,941 --> 01:56:32,278 ...the same way that these blocks and punches are made to be designed... 2074 01:56:32,486 --> 01:56:36,157 ...to kind of play out like a certain rhythm and a percussive element. 2075 01:56:36,365 --> 01:56:41,161 So too should the bumps of the car, the metal hitting the car... 2076 01:56:41,370 --> 01:56:43,831 ...and the glass smashing in the windows. 2077 01:56:44,039 --> 01:56:47,209 It was just a big, huge sort of like design process. 2078 01:56:47,418 --> 01:56:49,962 It took a long time to get going. 2079 01:56:50,337 --> 01:56:54,842 We shot for about 12 days, 13 days to get this stuff done. 2080 01:56:55,467 --> 01:56:59,889 But, yeah, thankfully, a combination of the final product... 2081 01:57:00,097 --> 01:57:04,310 ...and then also, I gotta say, one of the most exciting pieces of music... 2082 01:57:04,518 --> 01:57:07,688 ...that I've had play on anything I've done with film. 2083 01:57:07,897 --> 01:57:10,316 It just elevated the whole scene so much more. 2084 01:57:10,524 --> 01:57:14,195 And, like, I'm really proud of the work that my crew put in... 2085 01:57:14,403 --> 01:57:17,531 ...in order to kind of get the scene done the way we did it. 2086 01:57:22,328 --> 01:57:24,705 Okay, we can cool down a little bit now. 2087 01:57:24,914 --> 01:57:26,957 So this is the-- Goto's office... 2088 01:57:27,166 --> 01:57:30,878 ...and this was actually designed-- We based our design here... 2089 01:57:31,086 --> 01:57:35,591 ...on the very sort of like archetypal sort of Japanese Yakuza bosses... 2090 01:57:35,799 --> 01:57:38,802 ...administration offices, like you'd see in the films there. 2091 01:57:39,011 --> 01:57:41,138 So everything down from the color scheme... 2092 01:57:41,347 --> 01:57:46,185 ...the furniture, the table, the low tables, the safe in the corner and everything... 2093 01:57:46,393 --> 01:57:48,979 ...and then sort of the family emblem on the wall... 2094 01:57:49,188 --> 01:57:51,857 ...it's all kind of like, you know-- 2095 01:57:52,524 --> 01:57:55,027 Like a reference and like a stereotype in a way... 2096 01:57:55,236 --> 01:57:59,657 ...from the Japanese Yakuza films I used to watch from the 70s and '80s and '90s. 2097 01:57:59,865 --> 01:58:02,034 So we're playing to archetypes here. 2098 01:58:02,242 --> 01:58:04,370 We're playing to that kind of-- 2099 01:58:04,954 --> 01:58:09,166 That stylized sort of Yakuza element I've always loved watching as a kid. 2100 01:58:10,084 --> 01:58:12,962 Even down to the way we shot it too, like, you know... 2101 01:58:13,170 --> 01:58:17,591 ...there's these very slow, purposeful sort of like dolly track shots. 2102 01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:20,844 The camera angles, I wanted to keep it kind of low... 2103 01:58:21,053 --> 01:58:24,890 ...and, you know, never above Goto, and always kind of-- 2104 01:58:25,099 --> 01:58:27,017 You know, the sort of stillness to it. 2105 01:58:27,226 --> 01:58:31,981 There's never a shot where the camera is kind of like floating or hand-held. 2106 01:58:32,189 --> 01:58:35,609 It's always kind of static on tripod. I wanted to kind of reflect that... 2107 01:58:35,818 --> 01:58:38,445 ...because I've always been a big fan of Japanese cinema. 2108 01:58:38,654 --> 01:58:44,076 So to have a visual style, I was able to kind of, you know, fit my sort of-- 2109 01:58:44,451 --> 01:58:47,496 My geeky approach to Japanese cinema... 2110 01:58:47,705 --> 01:58:50,165 ...was a nice sort of refreshing change to us. 2111 01:58:50,374 --> 01:58:53,794 All throughout the rest of the film, whenever there was an action scene... 2112 01:58:54,003 --> 01:58:57,089 ...we were going so hard with the aggressiveness... 2113 01:58:57,297 --> 01:58:58,966 ...and the movement of the camera. 2114 01:58:59,174 --> 01:59:00,676 I think both Matt and Dimas... 2115 01:59:00,884 --> 01:59:04,304 ...my two DOPs who have worked with me on the last three films... 2116 01:59:04,513 --> 01:59:06,515 ...I think they relished this opportunity... 2117 01:59:06,724 --> 01:59:10,602 ...to just take a breath and just, like, you know, let the camera rest... 2118 01:59:10,811 --> 01:59:13,731 ...and just let the performances play through. 2119 01:59:15,065 --> 01:59:16,817 One thing about the performance... 2120 01:59:17,026 --> 01:59:19,028 ...is there's such consistency between them. 2121 01:59:19,236 --> 01:59:21,613 When it came to the Japanese cast-- 2122 01:59:21,822 --> 01:59:23,907 We noticed a lot of the Indonesian cast... 2123 01:59:24,116 --> 01:59:27,786 ...they would kind of improvise a little bit between take to take. 2124 01:59:27,995 --> 01:59:30,289 But the Japanese cast, they would lock in... 2125 01:59:30,497 --> 01:59:32,791 ...and then they would-- They would figure out... 2126 01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:35,502 ...how they wanted to play that scene in rehearsals... 2127 01:59:35,711 --> 01:59:38,213 ...and then just do it take for take the same. 2128 01:59:38,422 --> 01:59:41,383 Gestures would be the same, timing of movement, the same... 2129 01:59:41,592 --> 01:59:44,053 ...and it made my life easier then in the edit... 2130 01:59:44,261 --> 01:59:46,930 ...because I could use any take of any shot... 2131 01:59:47,139 --> 01:59:50,267 ...and I know that it would connect to whatever else we had of them. 2132 01:59:50,476 --> 01:59:53,520 So it was kind of an interesting process for that. 2133 01:59:55,147 --> 01:59:59,401 This location sadly does not exist in Indonesia. 2134 01:59:59,610 --> 02:00:02,529 We just created a matte painting in CG... 2135 02:00:02,738 --> 02:00:05,366 ...in order to kind of have this huge, big landscape... 2136 02:00:05,574 --> 02:00:08,786 ...of, like, a rundown building complex. 2137 02:00:12,081 --> 02:00:14,291 We had a location for it booked in. 2138 02:00:14,500 --> 02:00:17,920 We'd found this construction site which would have been perfect for us... 2139 02:00:18,128 --> 02:00:19,922 ...and would have fit so nicely... 2140 02:00:20,130 --> 02:00:24,968 ...but when it came time to start shooting, they'd sold the land to a construction-- 2141 02:00:25,177 --> 02:00:28,472 Another construction, sorry, that was actually doing something with it. 2142 02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:32,226 So by the time we were ready to shoot then, that whole area had gone. 2143 02:00:32,434 --> 02:00:34,895 So this place where we shot... 2144 02:00:35,104 --> 02:00:39,149 ...we actually used it for the exterior of Bejo's restaurant as well. 2145 02:00:39,358 --> 02:00:43,237 So when Rama goes to drive in through those metal doors... 2146 02:00:43,445 --> 02:00:47,533 ...to get into the delivery area of the restaurant, this is all the same location. 2147 02:00:47,741 --> 02:00:50,202 It's the same area. So we shot this in the day... 2148 02:00:50,410 --> 02:00:52,496 ...waited for nightfall, and shot the rest... 2149 02:00:52,704 --> 02:00:55,666 ...with Rama driving in through the door at night. 2150 02:00:56,125 --> 02:00:58,877 And so basically, yeah, for the wide shot... 2151 02:00:59,086 --> 02:01:00,379 ...we would end up... 2152 02:01:00,587 --> 02:01:03,632 ...you know, painting out all of the set that we had there... 2153 02:01:03,841 --> 02:01:07,136 ...and then, you know, extending the whole look of the thing... 2154 02:01:07,344 --> 02:01:11,557 ...to kind of be this rundown, dilapidated area. 2155 02:01:12,558 --> 02:01:14,268 If you want out.... 2156 02:01:16,728 --> 02:01:18,730 So this was the reinforcement then as well. 2157 02:01:18,939 --> 02:01:22,401 This was kind of the revelation of Iko's character being an undercover cop. 2158 02:01:22,568 --> 02:01:23,569 All of them. 2159 02:01:23,735 --> 02:01:27,281 And, you know, the idea that he'd been hung out to dry by his superiors... 2160 02:01:27,489 --> 02:01:31,952 ...then it's like he knows that this is the last person that's gonna see him alive. 2161 02:01:32,327 --> 02:01:36,373 He's had these things he's wanted to say for so many years, and gets to say them. 2162 02:01:36,582 --> 02:01:39,126 He gets to, you know, clear the air on his character... 2163 02:01:39,334 --> 02:01:41,086 ...and who he is and what he was... 2164 02:01:41,295 --> 02:01:45,299 ...moments before he's about to kind of-- To pass on. 2165 02:01:46,008 --> 02:01:48,552 And it also served that idea of kind of, you know... 2166 02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:50,804 ...giving Rama that incentive in a way... 2167 02:01:51,013 --> 02:01:55,100 ...that idea that, like, he can't just go back and pick up his bag and leave. 2168 02:01:55,309 --> 02:01:57,519 He can't just get out that easily. 2169 02:01:57,728 --> 02:02:01,857 That something has to be done in order for him to leave this world... 2170 02:02:02,065 --> 02:02:06,320 ...and still be able to live his life with his wife, with his kid. 2171 02:02:06,528 --> 02:02:10,949 And so that idea of, you know, taking them all out... 2172 02:02:11,158 --> 02:02:15,704 ...that's basically, you know, Martial Arts Action Film 101 motivation there... 2173 02:02:15,913 --> 02:02:18,999 ...where, you know, you give your hero a task... 2174 02:02:19,208 --> 02:02:21,543 ...and he knows that all it is, is a pure carnage. 2175 02:02:21,752 --> 02:02:24,922 So it's kind of like a nod of the hat to the audience as well... 2176 02:02:25,130 --> 02:02:27,591 ...to know that, like, just because we've just had... 2177 02:02:27,799 --> 02:02:31,678 ...like, a huge assassin montage sequence... 2178 02:02:31,887 --> 02:02:36,225 ...and a big car-chase sequence, like, we're definitely not done yet. 2179 02:02:38,685 --> 02:02:42,105 Okay, so this is the exterior of the warehouse location. 2180 02:02:42,314 --> 02:02:45,776 This was actually shot in exactly the same location as the previous scene. 2181 02:02:45,984 --> 02:02:48,528 When we shot this, we didn't have, like, anything... 2182 02:02:48,737 --> 02:02:50,864 ...like, real and tangible to use as a set. 2183 02:02:51,073 --> 02:02:53,784 So all we had really was sort of the steel shutter doors... 2184 02:02:53,992 --> 02:02:56,495 ...and some, like, you know, props laying around. 2185 02:02:56,703 --> 02:02:59,081 And everything was kind of created then in CG. 2186 02:02:59,289 --> 02:03:03,210 So the whole extension of the set was done by Andi, my online guy. 2187 02:03:03,418 --> 02:03:06,380 What I wanted to do here was to like-- This is sort of papered over. 2188 02:03:06,588 --> 02:03:09,466 We shot the-- This is just the aftermath of a crime scene... 2189 02:03:09,675 --> 02:03:14,096 ...but we shot three police lieutenants being bumped off by the Goto gang. 2190 02:03:14,304 --> 02:03:18,350 Some of that featured in the teaser trailer, but we ended up cutting it for pacing... 2191 02:03:18,559 --> 02:03:21,019 ...because we'd done our montage sequence before... 2192 02:03:21,228 --> 02:03:22,771 ...with Hammer Girl, Baseball Bat and the Assassin. 2193 02:03:22,980 --> 02:03:24,982 I figured it was gonna get, like, overkill. 2194 02:03:25,190 --> 02:03:28,443 Some could argue that we already overkilled this anyway. 2195 02:03:28,652 --> 02:03:31,697 So we cut those out. They're featured in the teaser trailer... 2196 02:03:31,905 --> 02:03:35,492 ...but, like, I cut that teaser trailer way back in sort of November. 2197 02:03:35,701 --> 02:03:37,661 Then when we were finishing up the film-- 2198 02:03:37,869 --> 02:03:40,414 We were still editing this up until December time. 2199 02:03:40,622 --> 02:03:43,333 So some of that stuff ended up, you know, disappearing... 2200 02:03:43,542 --> 02:03:47,212 ...and becoming, you know, available now as deleted scenes. 2201 02:03:47,421 --> 02:03:49,923 So here we've just established when Iko says: 2202 02:03:50,882 --> 02:03:53,969 Like, "Watch over me," he's basically talking to his brother... 2203 02:03:54,177 --> 02:03:56,221 ...and I wanted to maintain that idea... 2204 02:03:56,430 --> 02:03:59,766 ...of there being some element of revenge motivating him. 2205 02:03:59,975 --> 02:04:04,396 I didn't want to lose sight of that because his ulterior motive is to protect his family. 2206 02:04:04,604 --> 02:04:08,275 But deep down what he wants to do is basically get revenge for his brother... 2207 02:04:08,483 --> 02:04:12,279 ...which later on we find out is that something that gets taken away from him. 2208 02:04:12,863 --> 02:04:15,115 Bridging with that idea of the dissatisfaction... 2209 02:04:15,324 --> 02:04:18,201 ...in terms of all the characters not getting what they want. 2210 02:04:18,410 --> 02:04:22,122 That wall earlier, actually, when the guy gets sort of crushed into the wall-- 2211 02:04:22,331 --> 02:04:24,708 We-- That wall wasn't supposed to break, actually. 2212 02:04:24,916 --> 02:04:28,462 The whole plan for that shot was that we were gonna have the guy's body... 2213 02:04:28,670 --> 02:04:31,381 ...just crushed against this wall and pinned up against it. 2214 02:04:31,590 --> 02:04:35,093 But our Art Department forgot to put the sort of cinder blocks... 2215 02:04:35,302 --> 02:04:38,305 ...on the other side of that brick wall that we'd built for it. 2216 02:04:38,513 --> 02:04:41,558 When the car went through, it smashed through the brick wall... 2217 02:04:41,767 --> 02:04:44,895 ...but also the main structure wall of the warehouse behind. 2218 02:04:45,103 --> 02:04:48,315 So then we ended up having to fix that really quickly then... 2219 02:04:48,523 --> 02:04:50,150 ...so we could carry on shooting... 2220 02:04:50,359 --> 02:04:54,321 ...and make sure that the structure was safe and sound for us to carry on filming. 2221 02:04:54,529 --> 02:04:57,324 The choreography here, we wanted to have this feeling... 2222 02:04:57,532 --> 02:05:00,118 ...of, like, chaos and freneticism to it. 2223 02:05:00,327 --> 02:05:03,246 We ended up having to have Iko running up that ramp then... 2224 02:05:03,455 --> 02:05:07,501 ...because when we got to the location, the actual space is so big and so large. 2225 02:05:07,709 --> 02:05:11,171 When we were designing the fight scenes, we're in a small office space. 2226 02:05:11,380 --> 02:05:14,591 So we design these movements, and then we get to this real space... 2227 02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:18,178 ...and it's so big and so vast, we have to figure out how to position it. 2228 02:05:18,345 --> 02:05:21,598 So we always do like a walkthrough of the whole choreography... 2229 02:05:21,807 --> 02:05:25,227 ...while on location to figure out this happens here, this happens there. 2230 02:05:25,435 --> 02:05:27,396 Sometimes our choreography, we design it... 2231 02:05:27,604 --> 02:05:31,608 ...without actually looking at the-- You know, the location beforehand. 2232 02:05:31,817 --> 02:05:36,154 So that stunt area, the stunt guy being sort of thrown head first into a beam... 2233 02:05:36,363 --> 02:05:38,532 ...we had to build that ramp, build that beam... 2234 02:05:38,740 --> 02:05:40,909 ...and then obviously put rubber around that... 2235 02:05:41,118 --> 02:05:43,870 ...for the protection of the stunt guy doing the stunt... 2236 02:05:44,079 --> 02:05:47,165 ...so that we could get away with having our choreography exact. 2237 02:05:47,374 --> 02:05:50,669 And then my poor Art Department and my poor Locations guy... 2238 02:05:50,877 --> 02:05:55,632 ...have to follow suit in terms of what we wanna do in our choreography then. 2239 02:05:59,177 --> 02:06:02,597 This scene here with Uco sort of washing his hands... 2240 02:06:02,806 --> 02:06:04,850 ...and sort of regrouping himself... 2241 02:06:05,058 --> 02:06:07,185 ...we shot this very, very early in the shoot. 2242 02:06:07,394 --> 02:06:10,981 This was probably around about three days to four days into the shoot... 2243 02:06:11,189 --> 02:06:15,444 ...and we shot this on location inside a mall called Grand Indonesia. 2244 02:06:15,652 --> 02:06:17,195 There was a bathroom stall there. 2245 02:06:17,404 --> 02:06:21,074 And one of the things that me and Arifin are kind of both frustrated by... 2246 02:06:21,283 --> 02:06:23,034 ...is that we did shoot this early. 2247 02:06:23,243 --> 02:06:26,705 Although his performance is-- You know, I can't fault it, it's really-- 2248 02:06:26,913 --> 02:06:31,042 He has a strong performance in terms of carrying the weight and the emotion. 2249 02:06:31,251 --> 02:06:33,503 The downside is we made a conscious decision... 2250 02:06:33,712 --> 02:06:37,507 ...later on in the shoot for everything following him killing his father... 2251 02:06:37,716 --> 02:06:40,469 ...we wouldn't have dialogue from Uco, he would be silent... 2252 02:06:40,677 --> 02:06:45,223 ...he would be in this, like, catatonic state of just, like, observation and reflection. 2253 02:06:45,432 --> 02:06:49,227 And obviously, you can see here, like, he actually speaks to this character. 2254 02:06:49,436 --> 02:06:52,647 So every other scene that we shot post Bangun's death... 2255 02:06:52,856 --> 02:06:54,858 ...was silent from him, no dialogue at all. 2256 02:06:55,066 --> 02:06:57,611 Just all about expression, except for this one... 2257 02:06:57,819 --> 02:07:02,115 ...which is literally just because we'd shot it so early on in the production. 2258 02:07:03,950 --> 02:07:07,788 I'm probably gonna hold my hands up and say that this wire... 2259 02:07:07,996 --> 02:07:11,833 ...is pretty fucking big, really, to not be noticed at all inside the wallet. 2260 02:07:12,042 --> 02:07:13,919 One of those things where you turn up... 2261 02:07:14,127 --> 02:07:17,547 ...then you've got your props lined up, you show them the design of it... 2262 02:07:17,756 --> 02:07:21,343 ...and suddenly, you're about to shoot and you see the size of the thing. 2263 02:07:21,551 --> 02:07:24,179 So we didn't really have much say in that. 2264 02:07:24,387 --> 02:07:28,225 And ideally, really, I'd love to have had something a lot smaller... 2265 02:07:28,433 --> 02:07:30,644 ...and a lot more sort of realistic-looking... 2266 02:07:30,852 --> 02:07:36,441 ...in terms of a wire tap inside of a wallet, but, hey, ho. 2267 02:07:36,650 --> 02:07:39,110 So here we have Reza returning to the fray. 2268 02:07:39,319 --> 02:07:42,948 So this is back to Roy Marten, who is just a fantastic actor. 2269 02:07:43,156 --> 02:07:45,158 There's such a lot of respect for him. 2270 02:07:45,367 --> 02:07:48,245 Because he's a senior actor, a senior performer in Indonesia... 2271 02:07:48,453 --> 02:07:51,248 ...and, you know, he was just such a joy to work with. 2272 02:07:51,456 --> 02:07:53,250 He brought a lot to the character... 2273 02:07:53,458 --> 02:07:56,586 ...even though it's only a very limited amount of screen time. 2274 02:07:56,795 --> 02:08:00,257 He just nails the tone of the character. He nails that kind of attitude. 2275 02:08:00,465 --> 02:08:05,387 And, you know, the way he goads Arifin later on is one of my favorite moments... 2276 02:08:05,595 --> 02:08:09,057 ...of the character throughout the entire film. 2277 02:08:09,724 --> 02:08:12,102 Hey, sidekick. 2278 02:08:13,645 --> 02:08:15,981 You're talkative. 2279 02:08:16,314 --> 02:08:18,650 So we're playing on that idea of the paranoia here. 2280 02:08:18,858 --> 02:08:21,278 One of the things that not everyone picks up on... 2281 02:08:21,486 --> 02:08:25,031 ...is that idea of, like, when Uco sees the wire... 2282 02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:28,326 ...the thing about the wire is that it makes him feel suspicious... 2283 02:08:28,535 --> 02:08:31,204 ...he's being set up, whether this has been something... 2284 02:08:31,413 --> 02:08:35,458 ...that Bejo and Reza have kind of set up from the get-go. 2285 02:08:35,667 --> 02:08:39,796 At the moment, he's suspicious of Reza, and that's why he shoots him that look. 2286 02:08:40,005 --> 02:08:42,007 But when we do the reveal of the tattoo... 2287 02:08:42,215 --> 02:08:45,343 ...it's pretty much all about Uco's paranoia... 2288 02:08:45,552 --> 02:08:47,637 ...telling him there's two and two together... 2289 02:08:47,846 --> 02:08:50,599 ...that wire was put by Reza, that they're monitoring him... 2290 02:08:50,807 --> 02:08:52,475 ...that they're manipulating him... 2291 02:08:52,684 --> 02:08:55,312 ...and seeing the tattoo and linking it to Benny... 2292 02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:58,189 ...who was, like, executed earlier on in the restaurant... 2293 02:08:58,356 --> 02:09:00,650 ...it's almost that sort of a crushing feeling... 2294 02:09:00,859 --> 02:09:04,237 ...of being completely, you know, manipulated... 2295 02:09:04,446 --> 02:09:08,992 ...made to feel like a puppet at the hands of Reza and Bejo, which, you know... 2296 02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:13,330 ...although there's a partial truth there, Reza has, like, no involvement in this. 2297 02:09:13,538 --> 02:09:16,333 Like, he wasn't involved in any way, shape or form. 2298 02:09:16,541 --> 02:09:19,044 And so it's all about that sort of seething paranoia... 2299 02:09:19,252 --> 02:09:21,504 ...that ends up resulting later on in the film... 2300 02:09:21,713 --> 02:09:26,760 ...with Uco kind of taking care of business in a way on behalf of Rama... 2301 02:09:26,968 --> 02:09:29,179 ...and taking away his ability... 2302 02:09:29,387 --> 02:09:35,518 ...to sort of get revenge for himself, to protect his family for himself. 2303 02:09:37,312 --> 02:09:42,567 Earlier, we saw a shot of Hammer Girl grabbing at her hammers... 2304 02:09:42,776 --> 02:09:46,154 ...and that was basically designed in a way to play up to the idea... 2305 02:09:46,363 --> 02:09:49,324 ...of these characters having a sense of childhood about them... 2306 02:09:49,532 --> 02:09:50,825 ...an immaturity about them. 2307 02:09:51,034 --> 02:09:53,787 And so, for me, it was always this case of, you know-- 2308 02:09:53,995 --> 02:09:56,539 That was a last-minute thing that we added to the film. 2309 02:09:56,748 --> 02:10:00,418 That was like an improvisational moment where we were shooting that scene... 2310 02:10:00,627 --> 02:10:02,462 ...and I wanted something else in there. 2311 02:10:02,671 --> 02:10:05,507 I wanted something different to kind of reinforce... 2312 02:10:05,715 --> 02:10:08,677 ...that sort of immaturity of Baseball Bat and Hammer Girl. 2313 02:10:08,885 --> 02:10:11,429 And so I kind of spoke to Julie and told her, I said: 2314 02:10:11,638 --> 02:10:14,933 "Keep your back to them. Don't listen to a single word they're saying. 2315 02:10:15,141 --> 02:10:17,310 You're deaf anyway, you're not gonna respond... 2316 02:10:17,519 --> 02:10:19,270 ...to when Bejo sends you guys out." 2317 02:10:19,479 --> 02:10:22,732 And so basically, yeah, it was this opportunity for us... 2318 02:10:22,941 --> 02:10:27,237 ...to, you know, play on those themes of, like, the lost innocence of them... 2319 02:10:27,445 --> 02:10:30,990 ...the sort of childhood element of the characters. 2320 02:10:31,241 --> 02:10:32,826 And here they are again. 2321 02:10:33,034 --> 02:10:36,079 This is all the setup ready for them to face off against Rama... 2322 02:10:36,287 --> 02:10:38,248 ...in this big showdown. 2323 02:10:38,456 --> 02:10:41,334 The look of this location actually with the red glass walls... 2324 02:10:41,543 --> 02:10:44,170 ...was based on a restaurant that exists in Jakarta. 2325 02:10:44,379 --> 02:10:46,548 It's a really beautiful Chinese restaurant. 2326 02:10:46,756 --> 02:10:49,509 And so whenever I would go there I would take photographs... 2327 02:10:49,718 --> 02:10:52,929 ...and video reference of the look of the place, these, you know-- 2328 02:10:53,138 --> 02:10:56,266 These red patent glass walls in this corridor space... 2329 02:10:56,474 --> 02:10:59,561 ...so that my Art Department could go and make it for them first... 2330 02:10:59,769 --> 02:11:02,731 ...to kind of use then in terms of the shoot. 2331 02:11:02,939 --> 02:11:05,275 So the glass was-- I think we had a few panels... 2332 02:11:05,483 --> 02:11:08,903 ...that were made out of protective, kind of like strengthened plastic... 2333 02:11:09,112 --> 02:11:13,366 ...and then glass for anywhere where we needed to make it shatter for real. 2334 02:11:14,617 --> 02:11:17,829 This choreography was pretty complex for us to design because, like-- 2335 02:11:18,037 --> 02:11:20,165 Especially hardest for Iko to perform. 2336 02:11:20,832 --> 02:11:25,128 Iko and Very, who plays Baseball Bat Man, they're from the same silat school. 2337 02:11:25,336 --> 02:11:28,465 So his comfort level at kicking and punching Very... 2338 02:11:28,673 --> 02:11:31,676 ...is very sort of like, you know-- He can go full-on. 2339 02:11:31,885 --> 02:11:34,304 Like, they trust each other entirely to go full-on. 2340 02:11:34,512 --> 02:11:36,639 Iko kept telling me that he struggled a lot... 2341 02:11:36,848 --> 02:11:39,851 ...whenever it came to doing the punches and kicks at Julie... 2342 02:11:40,060 --> 02:11:43,021 ...plays Hammer Girl, because although she had proven herself... 2343 02:11:43,229 --> 02:11:45,482 ...there was this awkward psychological thing... 2344 02:11:45,690 --> 02:11:49,277 ...where he couldn't quite get into that mode of literally picking her up... 2345 02:11:49,486 --> 02:11:51,279 ...and throwing her against the window. 2346 02:11:51,488 --> 02:11:53,656 So that shot of her hitting against the glass... 2347 02:11:53,865 --> 02:11:56,409 ...we did that about eight times, nine times... 2348 02:11:56,618 --> 02:11:59,579 ...because each time Iko kept kind of trying to overprotect her. 2349 02:11:59,788 --> 02:12:03,082 He would slam her against the glass and almost lower her to the ground. 2350 02:12:03,291 --> 02:12:05,877 Suddenly, I'm telling him, "No, you've gotta go for it." 2351 02:12:06,086 --> 02:12:08,421 At this point, Julie's done seven of those falls... 2352 02:12:08,630 --> 02:12:11,090 ...and each fall, although cushioned and protected... 2353 02:12:11,299 --> 02:12:13,593 ...it's still-- It's gonna soften you up. 2354 02:12:14,052 --> 02:12:17,680 At that point then, it was-- He finally did the one where he let go of her... 2355 02:12:17,889 --> 02:12:21,476 ...and then that one hurt a lot more, like she'd already been tenderized... 2356 02:12:21,684 --> 02:12:23,478 ...for want of a better word. 2357 02:12:24,813 --> 02:12:28,858 So the moment that Baseball Bat goes into a rage and all the way up to this kill... 2358 02:12:29,067 --> 02:12:31,361 ...I wanted to play on the emotional part of it. 2359 02:12:31,569 --> 02:12:34,322 So-- I didn't want you to hate Baseball Bat and Hammer Girl. 2360 02:12:34,531 --> 02:12:36,533 I wanted you to almost like them in a way... 2361 02:12:36,741 --> 02:12:40,203 ...that you can kind of share in the fact that they have this bond. 2362 02:12:40,411 --> 02:12:42,956 And again, this kill then, this final moment... 2363 02:12:43,164 --> 02:12:47,293 ...with the baseball bat stuck inside his mouth, that was another improvisation. 2364 02:12:47,502 --> 02:12:48,878 We didn't really know how to-- 2365 02:12:49,087 --> 02:12:52,715 I didn't know how I was gonna finish this scene off until we were on set. 2366 02:12:52,924 --> 02:12:56,678 And so when-- I knew that the final blow would be, like, this huge heavy blast... 2367 02:12:56,886 --> 02:12:58,930 ...of the baseball bat into the mouth... 2368 02:12:59,139 --> 02:13:01,891 ...I had no idea about how to finish on a punch line. 2369 02:13:02,100 --> 02:13:06,271 And so, literally, we were on set, and then I'm telling my Art Department to kind of: 2370 02:13:06,479 --> 02:13:09,524 "All right, can you prepare this baseball bat with me... 2371 02:13:09,732 --> 02:13:11,818 ...so that we can cut a chunk out of it... 2372 02:13:12,026 --> 02:13:16,072 ...and put, like, a bite moment for Very to be able to chew on?" 2373 02:13:16,447 --> 02:13:19,617 And then we zip-tied it around his head then and kind of-- 2374 02:13:19,826 --> 02:13:24,038 Yeah, he sat there very uncomfortably for about, like, three hours... 2375 02:13:24,247 --> 02:13:27,333 ...with this baseball bat just strapped to his head. 2376 02:13:27,542 --> 02:13:29,669 And, yeah, it seems to have paid off. 2377 02:13:29,878 --> 02:13:33,214 So far, everyone's sort of had a big response to that. 2378 02:13:33,673 --> 02:13:36,050 Now, I'm just gonna watch this shuffle here. 2379 02:13:36,259 --> 02:13:39,512 This was sort of like-- The whole stunt right here with the hands... 2380 02:13:39,721 --> 02:13:43,141 ...the back of the hands, the back of the hand, it's a direct reference... 2381 02:13:43,349 --> 02:13:46,769 ...and like an homage in a way to, for me, Enter the Dragon... 2382 02:13:46,978 --> 02:13:51,190 ...for the sort of competition fights that Bruce Lee has in that film. 2383 02:13:51,733 --> 02:13:56,070 But when it comes to the sort of specific characteristics of silat... 2384 02:13:56,279 --> 02:13:58,948 ...especially from Cecep here, the way his eyes are... 2385 02:13:59,157 --> 02:14:01,534 ...the way his looks are, gestures and mannerisms... 2386 02:14:02,160 --> 02:14:06,331 ...like, I wish I could take credit for this, but truthfully it all came from him. 2387 02:14:06,539 --> 02:14:10,001 So all of those mannerisms, gestures, it was completely undirected. 2388 02:14:10,210 --> 02:14:13,338 It was like a joy to see these things come through in the camera... 2389 02:14:13,546 --> 02:14:17,508 ...and just be sort of taken away by it, which when you consider the fact that... 2390 02:14:17,717 --> 02:14:22,013 ...Cecep was not like an experienced actor, he's purely a martial arts fighter... 2391 02:14:22,472 --> 02:14:25,934 ...it's such an incredible thing to kind of have these guys and face off... 2392 02:14:26,142 --> 02:14:28,311 ...with not just a complex fighting style... 2393 02:14:28,519 --> 02:14:32,273 ...but also with the charisma involved in terms of the character as well. 2394 02:14:32,649 --> 02:14:36,444 So this fight scene, actually, this is a pretty long fight scene. 2395 02:14:36,653 --> 02:14:39,739 This is something we spent a hell of a long time sort of designing. 2396 02:14:40,281 --> 02:14:42,784 We worked on it for about a month and a half... 2397 02:14:42,992 --> 02:14:46,371 ...to design the actual movements and get all the structure in there. 2398 02:14:46,579 --> 02:14:48,748 The way we would do that, we would go through... 2399 02:14:48,957 --> 02:14:52,001 ...and create these bite-sized pieces of choreography... 2400 02:14:52,210 --> 02:14:55,672 ...that the guys would present to me and I would end up going through it... 2401 02:14:55,880 --> 02:14:58,007 ...saying, "Put this here, put this there." 2402 02:14:58,216 --> 02:15:01,219 Like a jigsaw piece. You start stacking everything together... 2403 02:15:01,427 --> 02:15:04,389 ...and figuring out how the fight is gonna play out. 2404 02:15:04,597 --> 02:15:08,851 Once we had that structure sorted and started thinking about different props... 2405 02:15:09,060 --> 02:15:11,020 ...like I wanted this set in the kitchen-- 2406 02:15:11,229 --> 02:15:14,565 Like, especially this shot here with this sort of-- Sort of angle... 2407 02:15:14,774 --> 02:15:16,776 ...a turn of the camera to the work surface. 2408 02:15:16,985 --> 02:15:18,820 Something I wanted from the get-go... 2409 02:15:19,028 --> 02:15:21,614 ...the fact we're gonna set it in the kitchen space. 2410 02:15:21,823 --> 02:15:25,326 We could use that metal pang of the work surface in the sound design. 2411 02:15:25,535 --> 02:15:28,496 So we would end up going off and doing our video storyboard. 2412 02:15:28,705 --> 02:15:31,916 The video storyboard for this one-- This one actually took about... 2413 02:15:32,125 --> 02:15:35,962 ...probably about a month and a half, on top of that, where we'd shoot each day. 2414 02:15:36,170 --> 02:15:39,340 For every single shot-- Every single movement in the choreography... 2415 02:15:39,549 --> 02:15:42,552 ...we would do about five different alternative angles for it... 2416 02:15:43,261 --> 02:15:46,222 ...trying to find which one felt like the right one to use. 2417 02:15:47,140 --> 02:15:49,434 Before we carry on, a shout-out to Yandi there. 2418 02:15:49,642 --> 02:15:51,644 That's our stunt guy filling in for Cecep. 2419 02:15:51,853 --> 02:15:53,479 Yandi did all of the glass work. 2420 02:15:53,688 --> 02:15:56,190 He doubled for Epy earlier on in the porn den. 2421 02:15:56,399 --> 02:15:59,027 That's him again, being kicked out through the window. 2422 02:15:59,235 --> 02:16:00,987 And poor Yandi, man. I mean, he took-- 2423 02:16:01,195 --> 02:16:04,032 Like, even though it's tempered glass and it's made to be... 2424 02:16:04,240 --> 02:16:06,075 ...safer than real glass, it still cuts. 2425 02:16:06,284 --> 02:16:08,536 You still get nicks and marks every now and then. 2426 02:16:08,745 --> 02:16:11,539 And on that cut, when he got kicked through the window... 2427 02:16:11,748 --> 02:16:14,834 ...he had a pretty nasty gash going down the back of his ear. 2428 02:16:15,043 --> 02:16:18,546 But he's a trouper and he's one of those guys that's constantly kind of-- 2429 02:16:18,755 --> 02:16:21,132 Everything we've thrown at him, he's done for us. 2430 02:16:21,340 --> 02:16:22,925 So he's an incredible stunt guy. 2431 02:16:23,134 --> 02:16:25,219 So I'm gonna give massive props to him here. 2432 02:16:25,428 --> 02:16:27,972 So basically after Merantau... 2433 02:16:28,181 --> 02:16:32,894 ...we had a few people comment, like, about Iko's karambit weapon. 2434 02:16:33,102 --> 02:16:35,063 Apologies if I'm repeating myself... 2435 02:16:35,271 --> 02:16:39,150 ...but we've been recording this commentary through a period of time. 2436 02:16:39,359 --> 02:16:43,112 So, yeah, with the karambit, like, everyone wanted to see it in combat. 2437 02:16:43,321 --> 02:16:45,448 And I knew I was gonna use it in this film... 2438 02:16:45,656 --> 02:16:48,743 ...and the tone for this film would allow me to go pretty brutal... 2439 02:16:48,951 --> 02:16:51,537 ...and aggressive in terms of the use of the knife. 2440 02:16:51,746 --> 02:16:52,872 What I love about it... 2441 02:16:53,081 --> 02:16:55,917 ...and what I loved about using it here in this space is... 2442 02:16:56,125 --> 02:17:00,380 ...we have a pretty decent sized location. I mean, it's not, like, very claustrophobic. 2443 02:17:00,588 --> 02:17:01,672 There's space around. 2444 02:17:01,881 --> 02:17:04,634 But the nature of that weapon, because it's a short blade... 2445 02:17:04,842 --> 02:17:06,886 ...it forces the fighters to be close... 2446 02:17:07,095 --> 02:17:09,889 ...in order for that weapon to become an impactful weapon. 2447 02:17:10,098 --> 02:17:12,475 And so then you end up in this situation... 2448 02:17:12,683 --> 02:17:16,395 ...where suddenly, even in this space, the fight ends up having the feeling... 2449 02:17:16,604 --> 02:17:19,232 ...of claustrophobia because they're at each other. 2450 02:17:19,440 --> 02:17:22,360 The speed and the use of the weapon is so brutal and so fast... 2451 02:17:22,568 --> 02:17:25,279 ...but so close, that you lose sight of the fact... 2452 02:17:25,488 --> 02:17:27,907 ...that, you know, it's such a wide-open space. 2453 02:17:28,116 --> 02:17:30,451 And that's, like, attributed to the fact that... 2454 02:17:30,660 --> 02:17:33,579 ...that weapon is just so short and so brutal. 2455 02:17:37,625 --> 02:17:39,168 This is one of my favorite kicks. 2456 02:17:39,377 --> 02:17:42,213 That sort of sequence of kicks is one of my favorite things. 2457 02:17:42,421 --> 02:17:45,675 And one of the things we tended to do a lot of, it's-- 2458 02:17:45,883 --> 02:17:50,012 It's kind of like something I've realized now as I kind of make film after film now. 2459 02:17:50,221 --> 02:17:54,100 I'm starting to see little sort of recurring shots and little recurring movements. 2460 02:17:54,308 --> 02:17:56,978 And one of those things is the idea of using top shots. 2461 02:17:57,186 --> 02:18:00,273 I tend to use bird's-eye view shots, especially in fight sequences. 2462 02:18:00,481 --> 02:18:02,817 And it helps me be able to-- 2463 02:18:03,025 --> 02:18:06,529 The reason why I use top shots usually in the fight sequence is, one... 2464 02:18:06,737 --> 02:18:09,240 ...gives you an opportunity to see the action in full. 2465 02:18:09,907 --> 02:18:13,786 At the same time, it allows me to reset my position as well for the next scene. 2466 02:18:13,995 --> 02:18:16,205 So-- The next shot. Sorry. So basically you go-- 2467 02:18:16,747 --> 02:18:19,834 If you're on the right-hand side of someone's shoulder... 2468 02:18:20,042 --> 02:18:23,254 ...then suddenly you need to go over to the left of somebody else's... 2469 02:18:23,463 --> 02:18:25,923 ...without breaking the 180 degree rule line... 2470 02:18:26,132 --> 02:18:29,552 ...I'll throw in a top shot wherever I can to help redress the balance. 2471 02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:31,804 So it's kind of a useful tool, while also... 2472 02:18:32,013 --> 02:18:34,056 ...looking very sort of, like, striking... 2473 02:18:34,265 --> 02:18:37,268 ...and visually interesting for the fight sequences. 2474 02:18:37,727 --> 02:18:40,855 So this sequence here then is where we started.. 2475 02:18:41,063 --> 02:18:44,233 ...to go a bit more crazy now. At the beginning, we structure it... 2476 02:18:44,442 --> 02:18:48,154 ...in a way where it'd be pure silat and, like, a lot of sort of technique... 2477 02:18:48,362 --> 02:18:51,407 ...and a lot of crisp choreography which will end up making way... 2478 02:18:51,616 --> 02:18:54,410 ...into this more brutal state of the choreography... 2479 02:18:54,619 --> 02:18:57,622 ...where it's much more hack and slash and start to lose focus... 2480 02:18:58,039 --> 02:19:00,917 ...as they start ripping each other apart. 2481 02:19:01,125 --> 02:19:03,169 Earlier I mentioned about our condom technique... 2482 02:19:03,377 --> 02:19:06,088 ...and this is where it really, really came into play. 2483 02:19:06,547 --> 02:19:08,925 So a lot of these shots, a lot of these setups... 2484 02:19:09,133 --> 02:19:10,593 ...were designed in that way... 2485 02:19:10,801 --> 02:19:13,721 ...where we could maximize the use of, like, practical blood. 2486 02:19:13,930 --> 02:19:15,973 I didn't wanna do much with the CG on this. 2487 02:19:16,182 --> 02:19:17,808 There is CG in there... 2488 02:19:18,017 --> 02:19:21,896 ...but if we added that practical element by having those condom bursts... 2489 02:19:22,313 --> 02:19:24,774 ...using the string technique that we designed... 2490 02:19:24,982 --> 02:19:27,109 ...then it would mean that it would kind of... 2491 02:19:27,318 --> 02:19:30,321 ...make it easier to sort of sell those CG elements as well. 2492 02:19:30,529 --> 02:19:34,951 The big benefit of having that practical blood is that it sticks to the clothing. 2493 02:19:35,159 --> 02:19:37,245 It sticks to everyone and the floor as well. 2494 02:19:38,204 --> 02:19:41,874 So, yeah, the only things like this with the throat... 2495 02:19:42,083 --> 02:19:45,419 ...those were the kind of elements where we did a lot of CG work on it. 2496 02:19:45,628 --> 02:19:48,881 Everything else was kind of real and practical then. 2497 02:20:04,272 --> 02:20:07,942 So now we're back into the restaurant and one thing I wanted to play on... 2498 02:20:08,150 --> 02:20:09,944 ...was this idea that Rama is-- 2499 02:20:10,152 --> 02:20:13,781 Obviously, he's been through so much now, his body's almost breaking down. 2500 02:20:13,990 --> 02:20:16,826 And so when we were doing the choreography for this scene... 2501 02:20:17,034 --> 02:20:19,578 ...we're shooting this on set, I started telling Iko... 2502 02:20:19,787 --> 02:20:23,624 ...that every time you do a movement, it's like you're about to lose your balance. 2503 02:20:23,833 --> 02:20:26,585 Every time you slash someone, you're falling to the ground. 2504 02:20:26,794 --> 02:20:29,589 So it really helped sell that sort of exhaustion of him... 2505 02:20:29,797 --> 02:20:32,717 ...whereby every slash he does has to be, like, you know... 2506 02:20:32,925 --> 02:20:34,343 ...strong and powerful. 2507 02:20:34,552 --> 02:20:38,389 But then as soon as there's-- As soon as it's over, the release of it... 2508 02:20:38,598 --> 02:20:40,474 ...is bringing him back down to earth. 2509 02:20:40,683 --> 02:20:43,352 It's realizing just how broken his body is at this point. 2510 02:20:43,561 --> 02:20:47,064 He no longer is sort of, like, that sort of sharp, focused fighter anymore. 2511 02:20:47,273 --> 02:20:50,401 He's lost a lot of blood and he's lost a lot of energy now. 2512 02:20:50,610 --> 02:20:52,320 So he is vulnerable at this point... 2513 02:20:52,528 --> 02:20:55,281 ...which is something that's been an importance to us... 2514 02:20:55,489 --> 02:20:57,825 ...whenever we make any of these movies. 2515 02:20:58,034 --> 02:20:59,660 Quick side point though... 2516 02:20:59,869 --> 02:21:02,330 ...the glass panels that we shot out earlier... 2517 02:21:02,538 --> 02:21:04,498 ...all glass panels were done with CG. 2518 02:21:05,333 --> 02:21:08,711 We had real glass panels put in there and real squibs put in there... 2519 02:21:08,919 --> 02:21:12,423 ...but there was a technical issue which made it incredibly dangerous... 2520 02:21:12,632 --> 02:21:15,217 ...for us to do, so we ended up having to shoot that... 2521 02:21:15,426 --> 02:21:18,721 ...completely clean with no glass in there, and then later on... 2522 02:21:18,929 --> 02:21:23,100 ...put in the CG glass elements then for the actual stunt itself. 2523 02:21:23,309 --> 02:21:27,104 So here we go. We're coming up to the head shot. 2524 02:21:27,313 --> 02:21:29,398 I'll give you a bit of detail on this one. 2525 02:21:29,607 --> 02:21:32,276 So for the head shot, what we did in the end... 2526 02:21:32,485 --> 02:21:37,907 ...was we basically made a replica of Alex's face... 2527 02:21:38,115 --> 02:21:40,659 ...and we had this camera locked off here. 2528 02:21:40,868 --> 02:21:44,747 And so we ended up having to shoot the version first of all with Alex reacting... 2529 02:21:44,955 --> 02:21:47,291 ...and so you get his arm and his body movement. 2530 02:21:47,500 --> 02:21:50,503 And then later on then, we would position the body... 2531 02:21:50,711 --> 02:21:53,297 ...just the body by itself in the same position as him. 2532 02:21:53,506 --> 02:21:55,174 We would do this frame match... 2533 02:21:55,383 --> 02:21:58,511 ...where we could position the head in exactly the same spot... 2534 02:21:58,719 --> 02:22:00,096 ...and then we would, like-- 2535 02:22:00,304 --> 02:22:03,683 We'd put squibs inside his fake head and just blow it up. 2536 02:22:03,891 --> 02:22:07,603 But in terms of making sure that the body wouldn't shift or move too much... 2537 02:22:07,812 --> 02:22:11,273 ...we ended up having to put, like, about maybe six or seven sandbags... 2538 02:22:11,482 --> 02:22:13,984 ...all over the body of the dummy... 2539 02:22:14,193 --> 02:22:18,322 ...so that the head wouldn't kind of, like, spring off or go anywhere too far. 2540 02:22:18,531 --> 02:22:22,034 It was a combination of that practical element where we would match frame... 2541 02:22:22,243 --> 02:22:25,121 ...and then also, like, some CGI just to touch it up then. 2542 02:22:27,581 --> 02:22:31,961 One of the things that was important to me when it came to this final sequence... 2543 02:22:32,169 --> 02:22:35,256 ...the sort of-- The killing of Uco. 2544 02:22:35,464 --> 02:22:38,551 I didn't want it to feel the same way as any deaths in the film. 2545 02:22:38,759 --> 02:22:42,304 I didn't want it to feel like a hero moment for Iko, for Rama even. 2546 02:22:42,513 --> 02:22:45,015 And so when it came to, you know, the Assassin fight... 2547 02:22:45,224 --> 02:22:49,145 ...Baseball Bat, Hammer Girl fight, the way they're structured, they're designed... 2548 02:22:49,353 --> 02:22:53,482 ...that intensity is designed to make the audience have this visceral reaction to it. 2549 02:22:53,691 --> 02:22:57,736 But here, I wanted to play on the sadness of it, the tragedy of it. 2550 02:22:57,945 --> 02:23:00,030 And so when we were working on this scene... 2551 02:23:00,239 --> 02:23:03,325 ...me and Arifin, we were both workshopping how he should respond. 2552 02:23:03,534 --> 02:23:07,538 The way we wanted him to respond, the way to convey it was that idea of-- 2553 02:23:07,747 --> 02:23:10,833 When he gets stabbed, that there's a genuine fear in him. 2554 02:23:11,041 --> 02:23:13,711 That there's like a childlike fear in him. 2555 02:23:13,919 --> 02:23:17,298 You know, he's terrified of death and he's scared at this point. 2556 02:23:17,506 --> 02:23:18,757 And it kind of-- It's-- 2557 02:23:18,966 --> 02:23:21,510 It's been a tricky thing for us to balance that idea... 2558 02:23:21,719 --> 02:23:25,055 ...of playing with the audience in terms of how they respond to Uco. 2559 02:23:25,264 --> 02:23:29,185 Because, like, deep down, like, you know, he's a product of his father. 2560 02:23:29,393 --> 02:23:31,687 He's a product of the society he's been raised in. 2561 02:23:31,896 --> 02:23:34,482 And he's kind of like a tragic figure in a way... 2562 02:23:34,690 --> 02:23:37,443 ...because there's a certain vulnerability to him at times. 2563 02:23:37,651 --> 02:23:40,279 But at other times, there's an intense cruelty to him. 2564 02:23:40,488 --> 02:23:43,449 There was this thing where I wanted to make it feel conflicted. 2565 02:23:43,657 --> 02:23:45,951 So there's not like a celebration of his death. 2566 02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:48,454 It's almost like sad. It's almost that thing of... 2567 02:23:48,662 --> 02:23:51,290 ...what if they had met in other circumstances? 2568 02:23:51,499 --> 02:23:52,833 Could they have been friends? 2569 02:23:53,042 --> 02:23:56,337 Could they have been like a normal person in society? 2570 02:23:56,545 --> 02:23:58,964 And so we wanted to make that final death... 2571 02:23:59,173 --> 02:24:01,967 ...more emotional and for it to mean more. 2572 02:24:03,302 --> 02:24:05,596 So I'm gonna comment now on this piece of music... 2573 02:24:05,804 --> 02:24:11,769 ...which is "Ghost 13" from the album Ghost by Nine Inch Nails. 2574 02:24:11,977 --> 02:24:14,855 I was so fortunate to be able to meet with Trent Reznor... 2575 02:24:15,064 --> 02:24:18,400 ...and talk about this project and he was a fan of the first film... 2576 02:24:18,609 --> 02:24:22,154 ...and then the V/H/S/2 short that me and Timo had codirected. 2577 02:24:22,363 --> 02:24:25,241 And so I was desperate to use this track. 2578 02:24:25,449 --> 02:24:28,452 I really wanted to have this feature in the film. 2579 02:24:28,661 --> 02:24:30,913 And in actual fact, this shot here... 2580 02:24:31,121 --> 02:24:33,916 ...when we were recording this shot-- Doing this take... 2581 02:24:34,124 --> 02:24:37,920 ...I would listen to the piece of music on my iPhone... 2582 02:24:38,128 --> 02:24:41,298 ...and listening with my headphones to make sure the timing is right. 2583 02:24:41,507 --> 02:24:44,093 I knew at one point I wanted to cut to this shot. 2584 02:24:44,301 --> 02:24:48,389 And so it was one of those things when we were making the film... 2585 02:24:48,597 --> 02:24:50,349 ...I was editing and used the song. 2586 02:24:50,558 --> 02:24:54,103 And usually it's like a nightmare when you put in some temp track music... 2587 02:24:54,311 --> 02:24:56,647 ...to cut a scene because you fall in love with it. 2588 02:24:56,855 --> 02:25:00,526 But then when it comes down to clearing rights, you can't actually get it. 2589 02:25:00,943 --> 02:25:04,363 But, yeah, very fortunate enough to be able to get Trent... 2590 02:25:04,572 --> 02:25:08,158 ...to okay us on this and I'm so grateful to him for that... 2591 02:25:08,367 --> 02:25:12,454 ...because this piece of music for me, it just ties up the whole ending together. 2592 02:25:12,663 --> 02:25:17,626 It gives it this sense of this stronger sort of, like, emotional value to it as well. 2593 02:25:17,835 --> 02:25:22,214 It was actual a stylistic choice not to have any of the dialogue play out in this scene. 2594 02:25:22,423 --> 02:25:23,924 We did shoot it with it... 2595 02:25:24,133 --> 02:25:28,512 ...and it just felt wrong to kind of incorporate that because it just sort of-- 2596 02:25:28,721 --> 02:25:31,599 Music was so beautiful, I felt it was getting in the way of it. 2597 02:25:31,765 --> 02:25:34,184 It was like-- It was creating these stumbling blocks. 2598 02:25:34,393 --> 02:25:38,230 Once you put the audio or the dialogue in, you have to bring the atmosphere in too. 2599 02:25:38,397 --> 02:25:41,108 So I just felt it made more sense really to let it hang... 2600 02:25:41,317 --> 02:25:43,944 ...until those final two words come out from his mouth. 2601 02:25:44,153 --> 02:25:47,531 Just for me then, that was the perfect way to kind of end this film then. 2602 02:25:47,698 --> 02:25:48,741 -I'm done. 2603 02:25:50,326 --> 02:25:52,953 Thank you so much for listening to this audio commentary. 2604 02:25:53,162 --> 02:25:55,372 I hope that it's been informative in some way. 2605 02:25:55,581 --> 02:25:59,001 I hope I haven't been too repetitive. 2606 02:25:59,543 --> 02:26:03,505 Yeah, it's been quite the adventure making this film. 2607 02:26:03,714 --> 02:26:05,924 And, you know, we're very appreciative... 2608 02:26:06,133 --> 02:26:08,552 ...of all the support we've managed to have so far... 2609 02:26:08,761 --> 02:26:11,555 ...since Merantau through to The Raid 1, and now The Raid 2. 2610 02:26:11,764 --> 02:26:13,891 So, yeah, I hope you guys have enjoyed it... 2611 02:26:14,099 --> 02:26:16,477 ...and I'll see you on the next film. Thank you.